How to insert the piece title and composer with each new flow in Dorico Elements 5?

Hello!

I added the name of the piece and the composer in the score information, but they were not displayed on the desktop, how can I resolve this?

Project context
I am organizing several pieces by different composers into a single volume. The pieces will be numbered from 1 to 100 and inserted into the same project.

I need a new flow to be created at the end of each piece and the title of the piece and the name of the composer to be displayed, so that the reader can know which composer each piece is by.

Thanks.

For this one would set up a page template (in Engrave mode). If the information needs to be at the end of each flow, then the special template page would need to be assigned manually to the last page of each flow.

This sound as if this is not what you want, but putting the flow information into a custom Header Template would let one set the program to have the info appear automatically on the first page of each flow.

Generally this is done using flow headings: they automatically show the flow number and flow title at the start of each flow, but in Dorico Pro you can edit them to show whatever information you like.

In order for information to appear on pages, there has to be the corresponding token in a text frame somewhere on the page. Here is information about what gets displayed on pages by default in Dorico:

Therefore, Dorico Pro is necessary to do this with total flexibility yourself.

Hi @rogercanesso besides the suggestions of Derrek and Lillie, and also my suggestion to use Dorico Pro to do what you want, there is a possibility to “fake” it in Elements, and edit the “flow header” (whose template is only editable in Dorico Pro) directly on the layout. It takes of course much more timethan using the possibilities of Dorico pro, and should be done at the end of other editing and lay-outing , because it creates overrides on each page, so that other changes that you make after in the layout may not be visible! (For example choose, before you make this changes, if the first page should be 1 or 2 in the layout options).

Anyway here my short video with the explanation (I already populated the Flow composer in the Project Infos):

Thank you Derek and Lillie.

So the only way to get what I need is to use Dorico Pro?

@Christian_R Thank you very much Christian!
You were very kind to record the video. I will follow your tutorial.

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Alternatively, as long as you want each flow to start at the top of the page, make them all use the First page template, and override those text frames manually as well (they’re set to show the Project title and composer, whereas you would need the Flow title and composer).

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@Lillie_Harris thanks!

Is it possible to use the solutions presented here if there are two pieces on the same page?

For example:
Page 1

  • Flow 1: Title of the piece and composer
  • Flow 2: Title of the piece and composer
    And so on…

*Sorry for insisting on something so basic, I’m trying to take my first steps on Dorico after 20 years on Sib. :wink:

@rogercanesso when you edit the layout directly (differently to editing in the page templates in Dorico Pro) you create page overrides that can cause problems when the music must be redistributed in the main Music Frame (sorry these are concepts that are used in Engraving mode in Dorico Pro where you can edit Frames). That’s why I suggested above to have the lay-outing ready before you edit and add the composer names.

You can try to set the option Allow on existing frames before you edit the tokens. You can try on a copy of your file, and first choose menu Engrave/Remove all page override(s), and experiment with my method, and with Lillie’s variation on another copy, but generally these are all workarounds that are not recommended.

If you need such editing capabilities consider upgrading to Dorico pro: you will not regret it :wink:

Only in Dorico Pro, where you have full access to Engrave mode frame and page template editing. These are suggestions for how to use the limited editing capacities you have in Elements to simulate something close to what you want.

In Dorico Pro, you can edit the flow heading template, and add the flow composer in a text frame slightly lower than the flow title text frame: make the change once, and have that appear above the top of every flow, wherever it starts on the page. This is what Pro offers :slight_smile:

I will follow the instructions you gave me.
Thanks for helping @Lillie_Harris @Derrek @Christian_R

After entering and displaying Project Info in a Project, I added a flow. Project Info now only shows Flow Info, and Project Info (composer) is showing on both flows, despite my editing to correct a misspelling.
How you get back to Project Info after adding a Flow?
I see I can change the tokens in the Layout to Flow Info -
but now I am running into an issue where the Project Copyright info is the only available Copyright info - there’s no Flow Copyright token via shortcut - and I can’t find a way to get it into the Custom Score. As I mentioned, the Project Info screen only shows Flow-relative information once a new flow is added - unless I’m missing something.

Ah, yes. Despite Flow Copyright being left out of the Dropdown, the token @flowCopyright@ does add it to the layout.

On my machine with the latest version of Dorico Pro, the Copyright field is still there in Flow info, just in a slightly different place.

One can also copy Project (or other flows’) information in if that saves time forwarding some identical info.

Ctrl-I (or file>project information) opens the Project Information dialogue.
There you can define both global Project information and individual Flow Information (beware - it is perhaps too easy to overwrite data from one flow to another…)

Select Project at the top of the list to show Project info
Select any Flow to show that Flow’s info.

Thank you, very good! The thing I ultimately ran into and needed to solve was this - when I created the Project, I didn’t expect to need another Flow, so I defined it as one flow only.
When I added another Flow, the Layouts still had Project-associated tokens. OK, good to know that will happen… and I hadn’t yet discovered that the Project reference was a tab to a window full of the initial entries. Consequently I started changing the tokens in the Layout. When it came to trying to change the Copyright token to @flowCopyright@, it was missing from the Dropdown list - that was surprising to me.
The whole process might have been different had I discovered that the Project data was still there… I thought that was a list header, rather than a tab… OK, lesson learned. Had I entered the copyright info into the Project tab, I wouldn’a had to add a Flow token to the layout,