how to mimic GA vintage/turntable mode

[NoMad92]

As the topic says, i wanna mimic those mode but out of GA (and sometimes cause warping in GA does grey out the option to use those modes).

I, now, use a lot my drum samples directly in the sequencer windows (you can see the tails easier, and cut/fade/etc visually) so I would love to replicate (without 2 much 3rd party VSTs) those modes.

Thx

[Martin.Jirsak]

Hi,

Could LoopMash FX help?

[Manike]

You could look at Izotopes free vinyl simulator:
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/create-and-design/vinyl.html

[Niles]

With a bit crusher or Quadrafuzz v2’s decimate function you can come pretty close.
Check out this useful info by Matthias Quellmann (entire post is here):

@Matthias Quellmann

Playback quality modes
Sometimes there are features that hold more than you’d expect at first. The new playback modes in the Beat Agent are these kind of features. Why is it that so many contemporary producers still relay on these old school drum machine heavyweights? It is the 12-bit special sound that adds crispness to your drums and samples. So, in order to make a serious approach to emulate this sound, the team analyzed some of the classic 12-bit drum samplers to get to the bottom of the sound, recorded different samples, from drums to sine sweeps, and experimented with different ideas to replicate the signal flow. As a result, we came up with two different modes: the vintage and the turntable mode. The vintage mode is basically a “high-quality bit-crusher-resampler” that reduces the bitrate to 12 bits and resamples to 26.04 kHz. Add some distortion with the hard clip filter and you will get pretty close to the vintage drum sound that is so popular in hip hop and electronic productions. But that’s only half the story. The limitation of the classic 12-bit drum samplers has always been the memory that only allowed a sample time of about 2.5 seconds. In order to get longer samples into the memory the samples had to be recorded by switching the turntable from 33 RPM to 45 RPM, recording the samples at a higher speed of about +35% and then pulling them back down by just about 5.2 semitones within the sampler. This workaround had significant impact on the sound since it created explicit aliasing artifacts. Exactly this aliasing side effect can be heard when you pitch samples in the vintage mode. In turntable mode the recording at a higher speed and down pitching is simulated in advance to include the aliasing automatically. It may sound strange that adding aliasing artifacts should be a desired effect to enhance a sound, but basically that’s the stuff.

[NoMad92]

to “Martin” and “Manike”

I know the topic title said “turntable” but in GrooveAgent there are 2 modes “vintage” and “turntable” but it looks more like a “old sampler” thing more than a “vinyl FX”.

It’s more of 12bit samplers and aliasing.

I already got the Izotope free vinyl (great one BTW) and yeah Loopmash is nice for tapestop Fx.

[NoMad92]

@Niles

With a bit crusher or Quadrafuzz v2’s decimate function you can come pretty close.
Check out this useful info by Matthias Quellmann (entire post is here):

@Matthias Quellmann

Playback quality modes
Sometimes there are features that hold more than you’d expect at first. The new playback modes in the Beat Agent are these kind of features. Why is it that so many contemporary producers still relay on these old school drum machine heavyweights? It is the 12-bit special sound that adds crispness to your drums and samples. So, in order to make a serious approach to emulate this sound, the team analyzed some of the classic 12-bit drum samplers to get to the bottom of the sound, recorded different samples, from drums to sine sweeps, and experimented with different ideas to replicate the signal flow. As a result, we came up with two different modes: the vintage and the turntable mode. The vintage mode is basically a “high-quality bit-crusher-resampler” that reduces the bitrate to 12 bits and resamples to 26.04 kHz. Add some distortion with the hard clip filter and you will get pretty close to the vintage drum sound that is so popular in hip hop and electronic productions. But that’s only half the story. The limitation of the classic 12-bit drum samplers has always been the memory that only allowed a sample time of about 2.5 seconds. In order to get longer samples into the memory the samples had to be recorded by switching the turntable from 33 RPM to 45 RPM, recording the samples at a higher speed of about +35% and then pulling them back down by just about 5.2 semitones within the sampler. This workaround had significant impact on the sound since it created explicit aliasing artifacts. Exactly this aliasing side effect can be heard when you pitch samples in the vintage mode. In turntable mode the recording at a higher speed and down pitching is simulated in advance to include the aliasing automatically. It may sound strange that adding aliasing artifacts should be a desired effect to enhance a sound, but basically that’s the stuff.

Yes I know but I was trying to replicate the exact same FX for like a “sampler track”… so yeah tried some BitCrushers. I kinda emulate the vintage mode pretty well (with 3rd party plugins, like the Air Bitcrusher…I programmed and saved some presets for known old school sampler bitrate etc).

Tho for the turntable mode it’s pretty hard to do it from scratch, as I dont know how to simulate the “record at 45RPM instead of 33 with +35% pitch”… pitch % can be achieve in the “pitch shiuft” i think (by memory).

But how to emulate that recording at 45RPM on a 33RPM vinyl in Cubase? (to later then pitch shift it 5.2 semi down)


PS: I love the “vintage mode” on drums… but when i use a melodic loop (like makin those old school hiphop beats) I really love that “turntable mode” aliasing.

And having no 3rd party plugins saves my cpu (I hate bouncing track back and forth lol)

[NoMad92]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET (the wire reference lol)

I just got it like i’m so dumb…realized when replying to NILES that theres was no “+35%” pitch on say a SL1200 Technics turntable. So that 35% is the difference between 33 and 45.

So yeah gonna pitch up my audio 5.2 semi, bounce…add the AirCrusher set to any known sampler settings, bounce…pitch shift audio down 5.2semi.

But anyone knows how to use the steinberg bitcrusher to get the “26.04kHz”? i see the depth to get the “12 bits” but cant resample