So I’m new to Dorico coming over from Finale and I’m finale writing a piece in Dorico for the first time, instead of porting old ones.
I have a particular note value I what to use but it make the notes it tied to wrong. How do I do this? I used the force duration to get the dotted eighth note I wanted instead of a sixteenth tied to an eighth, but when I tie it to the next measure it changed that measure to a half double dot instead of the half tied to a dotted-quarter, like in the other voice.
This is not wrong: the value of the double dotted half notehead (bar 53, lower staff, upper notehead) is 7/8 long. It may be not what you want, but is not wrong.
An easy way to change this as you need (if you dont need other double dotted notes in your piece), is to reduce the max Nr. of dots to 1 in Notation Options/ Note Grouping/Rhythm Dots [EDIT: but it may not work if you used Forced Duration]:
Another method, is to prolong the first dotted eight note, using the Shift+Alt(Option)+right arrow shortcut, till you have the length that you need (in my example I have the rhythm grid set to eight notes, so: 7 times the right arrow key). The result will be what you want:
Another way is to make sure that the note in the second bar has Forced Duration active, before you apply the tie:
It wrong in the sense it changed from what I was (matching the bottom voice) to the double dots, all because I tied it to the note in the measure before. It a very strange choice to rewrite this it didn’t do this in the other voice. To me it seems like a bug actually, but let me try your fix thanks for the tip.
Trying the different methods, I think that is not a bug, but this is caused by the fact that applying the tie from a forced duration note, to a non forced duration note, , the whole tie chain inherits the forced duration of the first note (where you wanted one single notehead, instead of separate noteheads connected with ties). (so see my suggestion nr. 3)
OK thanks un-tieing then locking the the second bar, then re-tieing worked. Man, that seems needlessly complicated. Also that fact you can just click the tie button to un-tie notes but have to use a “hidden” key to untie the notes. Just not the UI paradigms I’m used to.
Oh good to know, had not idea what the icon was for. If only for tie I might group them like the others you group or make the icon look like it is related to ties. Does the cut other things as well like is so hard to delete measures, you can’t use the delete key on selected measure.
The scissors (cut tool) cut a note (splits it) at any rhythmical position (that you can indicate with the caret), no matter if the note is already part of a tie chain, or not :
Here an official nice video by Anthony, with a bonus feature of the cut tool :
To delete measures there are several ways:
select a measure with the system track, and click on the bin icon on the left of the system track selection
select a bar, whole bar rest, or something in a bar, and from menu Edit, choose Delete Bar (you can assign a Custom key Command to it)
select something in a bar, press J (to invoke the Jump bar), and write delete bars, you will see to populates as you start typing…, select the desired command and you are good to go
to delete the empty bars at the end of a flow: choose menu Write > Trim Flow
You can delete selected measures with Edit > Delete Bars. You can also assign a custom key command to this if it’s something you do often. (Whoops, sorry, @Christian_R said the same thing!)
You can also delete bars by selecting the first note in the bar, opening the bars and barlines popover with Shift+B, and entering -1 (or however many bars you want to delete) and hitting return. (If you haven’t selected the first note in the bar, Dorico will delete the requested number of bars starting with the selected note.)
OK thanks for that, I will review. But you all should know for 30 years the scissors has represented CMD-X or cut so it is a confusing choice for an icon related to something other then edit:cut.
In Dorico, in Write mode, the delete key will generally delete the specific items you have selected – notes, slurs, dynamics, time sigs, etc. Finale has the concept of a measure “stack” – double-click a measure or group of measures, and those measures will be selected in all staves and can then be deleted with the delete key. The system track in Dorico is sort of equivalent to this, although even then (as @Christian_R notes) you have to use the trash can icon in the system track to delete, not the delete key.
If you select the entire contents of a bar and hit Delete, Dorico will delete the contents of the bar – just like Finale does.
Yeah but that is the point the Delete Key, select all the measure in the system you want gone hit delete simple, but seem I have to do lots of extra steps. I just keep finding Dorico unintuitive from all the other software I use.
While some great features hidden in there, it just like it ignores some of the common ways other software works.
@tfbsaxman
You can assign a keyboard shortcut to Delete Bars*: so is only one step away (besides selecting something on the bar, of course):
*Only take care, when using Delete bars command, that you don’t have, in the bar that you want to delete, dynamics selected that are grouped with other dynamics in adjacent bars, as this will “extend” your selection, and delete the bars where the grouped dynamics exist. In this case just select one note, or deselect the dynamics, or filter for notes and chords, or use one of the other methods
Oh and if any of you guy’s our engineers or UI designer at steinberg a razor blade icon
is what you want here not scissors since that is comming used for CMD-X. It also better describes some of the actions this feature can perform like splitting notes.
Well, actually in Dorico there is that shortcut for Cut (Command+C) for cutting and pasting items, as in a text editor or similar. But this is a totally different function from the scissor tool:
with regard to the general cut functionality (as in this excerpt from your linked wikipedia article):
The cut command removes the selected data from its original position…etc…
differently a scissor separates/splits notes into little chunks, as a real scissor with a piece of paper, or a string. And, as Dorico think of tie chains as single notes, this has the nice side effect that it also thinks single notes as entities separable into chunks at any rhythmical position, using the “Untie/Scissor” functionality.
(Anyway, that said: you can customise your Key Commands as you prefer from the Doricos’ Preferences):
I think @tfbsaxman 's point is that the scissors icon is commonly used to indicate the standard Cut command in both Mac and Windows applications, and that it’s confusing to see it being used to represent a different action. I agree with that, although I take @Christian_R 's point that Dorico is not the only application to use the scissors this way.
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