How to tell Dorico to Ignore an octave sign while placing fingering

Hi, is there a way to tell Dorico to ignore an octave sign while placing fingering? I am engraving a piece where most of a right hand has an octave sign. So I have to place each finger manually because of this sign. Thank you

If I remember correctly, you can select the octave line, press F to flip it, then drag it into place.

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Thank you Dan, it’s interesting - I was trying to reproduce this issue with a copy of my file (because I did all the wirk already manually), but I wasn’t able to. Dorico placed everything this time correctly. I will try this option next time I get into a similar situation😊 Thank you😊

There is another thing.

If you choose fingerings to go under slurs (properties panel), they will place correctly.

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Dear team!
Could we please have a setting so that fingerings go under octave lines, but above slurs?

Thanks!
Benji

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Following up on this topic because I am experiencing a similar issue.

The only fingerings affected by this problem are those at the start or end of a slur. Am I missing an option somewhere in Engraving Properties? I’ve already selected “Position Inside,” which also says that fingerings will be positioned within octave lines.

I can manually position them in Engrave mode but would rather not have to.
Dan’s solution would work if not for the closing bracket at the end of the 8va line.

Any help is appreciated!

Hi @jay.nelsestuen, as suggested you can flip the octave line and then reposition it (and set the hook length property to -1):

Workflow:

Result:

Dorico file example (you can compare this file with your, using the Library Manager, to see what the differences in Engraving options are, I made also the fingering font a little smaller than the default):
fingering vs 8va line.dorico (1.4 MB)

(on a side note, the fingering for the left hand in the second bar of your example are not very comfortable, with all the unnecessary jumping of 2nd and 1st finger. You could also omit them and trust the pianist :wink: Just my humble opinion, which you can of course ignore)

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Actually none of the fingering in either hand is idiomatic, and it would be advisable to check it out with a pianist. Or as Christian said, omit it entirely, unless, of course, this is educational music that requires fingering.

Thanks, but, respectfully, this is stupid. Why does Dorico behave in this fashion by default such that a workaround is required? Gah.

I’ll take another look at the fingering. @John_Ruggero, it is educational music.

It is certainly not ideal that Dorico behaves this way, and it’s something we want to change in future. The difficulty is that slurs, tuplets, articulations, and octave lines are all positioned together, so other items have to be positioned either inside all four of these types of item, or outside all four of these types of item. This leads to significant compromises, like fingerings needing to go outside octave lines.

Improving this is definitely planned, but it’s going to require significant rework, and we’ve not yet managed to prioritise it.

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