@dspreadbury, the cat is out of the bag re the inclusion of Iconica Sketch in the next update to Dorico 5 and this will be a welcome addition for many, including me. However, users purchasing or upgrading to Cubase 13 get immediate access to the new library and these sounds can be loaded into and played back in Dorico 5 although the lack of a playback template is crippling. I’m hoping you might make even a first draft Dorico pt available for such users even if it will need a facelift when the next Dorico update arrives at the end of the year. My fingers are crossed!
Dorico 5 includes license for Iconica Sketch. You ou don’t need Cubase 13 to get it if you have Dorico 5 Elements or Pro you can install or use it. Install from download assistant.
Beyond that, wait until 5.1 is released with the Template/Maps for it.
Yes, impatience is definitely one of my personality traits! However, considering that Dorico 5 users already have the license to Iconica Sketch and Steinberg had planned on releasing the next Dorico update in October, I think it is reasonable to ask for the release of the playback template that will allow users to make use of the library to which they already have access. I hope Daniel agrees but will accept whatever he decides.
No, we don’t plan to make the playback template available ahead of the next release, I’m afraid. We’ve made a number of changes to the way the data for our factory playback templates is set up as part of the ongoing work on Dorico 5.1, so it wouldn’t work correctly in Dorico 5.0.20. (The factory playback templates will also all have new names as of Dorico 5.1, to make clearer which sounds from which distinct sets that are supplied with Dorico are used.)
I was inclined to agree with you there, Mike but then saw Daniel’s update explaining the situation – fair enough. I haven’t checked but perhaps there is a Cubase Expression Map which would help as a workaround in the meantime?
Will Dorico 5.1 have templates for the bigger Iconica libraries a well?
That’s not something we’ve been working on at the moment, no. “Big” Iconica is a bit harder to make playback templates for because the articulations can all be remapped in the HALion interface.
IIRC, when Iconica first came out, @John_at_Steinberg did a Discover Dorico session on it and also made some templates available for it.
They are still posted here.
If you are planning to use this template, it would be wise to check out John’s Discover Dorico YouTube video.
(I have since had difficulty with the VSL template in one of my older files, but that should not affect the straight Iconica template.)
There is also an Iconica NPPE module for NP4.
Thanks @Derrek. I have tried both John’s template for the “Big” Iconica and the trial version of the NPPE template but neither work for the “Sketch” version of the library. I haven’t checked to see if there is a Cubase template for the more compact version that could be a useful start (as suggested by @dko22) but based on Daniel’s response I think I will likely just wait for the eventual release of 5.1 very late in the year.
FWIW, I’m almost done with a basic PT for the Sketch - away in the weekend, but will post it here monday afternoon unless someone beats me to it
That would be wonderful! Thank you.
Hello, I am new here and was wondering if anyone got any further with the pt for Iconica sketch? It’s mainly for the switches I need it. I am looking to get switches sorted for sketch for Dorico 5 & Cubase 13. Would love the same for the Halion symphonic orchestra but really struggling to find answers online!
Dorico should come bundled with Playback Templates and Expression Maps for Iconica Sketch.
This thread was started when Iconica Sketch had just been released, slightly before the Dorico version that included it.
Thank you for your reply. I’m new to this and not finding it easy. Would you happen to know a video link for where I might see it done or a link to the playback template? I’ve spent about two days researching this area it and have been really struggling. In the following YT video Dorico seem to be giving a link where they offer a pt for Iconica, but it seems to be more Iconica sections and players: (Iconica Sections & Players and VEPro | Discover Dorico).
I can’t find anything for Sketch. Thank you.
You should just be able to select it in Play > Playback Templates:
When you apply the template, Dorico will load samples from Iconica, with the correct Expression maps.
Just curious,
When I apply the Iconica Sketch, HSO, Halion Sonic Sel, Olympus, GASE pt template, the trumpets sound with a “mariachi” vibrato. Doesn’t happen with the HSO pts. I usually use NotePerformer with its NPPEs for BBC SO Core, SYNCHRON PRIME and Iconica Sketch. The trumpets sound fine with those. A quirk of the Iconica Sketch, Halion Sonic Sel, Olympus, GASE template. No big deal, but it is a curiosity.
If you don’t see any playback templates that include Iconica Sketch in Play > Playback Template, that is because some part of the required sound content is not installed. If one or more of the components required by the playback template is not present, the playback template itself will not be listed.
When you first start Dorico, does it show you any warnings about missing content?
Thank you all, this part is actually working for me. I am sorry I wasn’t explaining it properly. I am looking to get a pt that works better for me -for some of the pt’s I have seen on YT for instance, each instruments’ default articulation can is set up as legato for example, which is what I would like as the default. When I load each instrument up, they all come up as staccato first. I know there is a way to change each one manually, but I believe it is a long process. In the video I mentioned on YT (Iconica Sections & Players and VEPro | Discover Dorico) Dorico seem to be offering a free template for what I am describing, where it loads each instrument up as a legato articulation. Thank you.
I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding.
When you write a normal note, Dorico will apply the natural playing technique from the expression map. That sends the Keyswitch to Iconica sketch to play the correct patch. (eg for Violins the natural pt is sustain vibrato)
The only reason that Staccato appears on the left is that is assigned to the lowest keyswitch (C0)
As soon as your playback starts, Dorico will send the “normal” or “Legato” command, so it doesn’t really matter what the VST has as its default status.