Constellation:
i Pad Pro (2016, IOS 16.7.8) with Cubasis 3 →
USB camera adapter →
USB hub
on slot 1: UR22 mk2 with mic on XLR, with headphones and speakers
on slot 2: Midi Keyboard USB
Problem 1:
New project → audio track is created → audio signal is recognized → recording works - > playback works. Then: New Midi track is created and activated: Midi is not recognized.
Problem 2:
New project → Midi/instrument track is created → Midi signal is recognized → Recording works - > Playback works. Then: New audio track is created: Audio signal can be heard on the headphones (i.e. it gets into the interface) but is not recognized by Cubasis (channel).
Variation: If I use the iPhone 13 Pro (iOS 17.1.2) instead of the iPad Pro, there is “only” problem 2. Creating an audio track in a new project generally fails because the audio signal from the interface does not seem to enter the device at all.
Question: Is the problem with the hardware? Would a more recent version of the iPad solve the problem? If not, where exactly is the mistake?
In addition: As a singer/songwriter, I’m looking for a minimal setting where I can use presets (basic, simple FX etc.) to feed my voice and midi keyboard directly into the speakers via the line-out of the interface. I am currently still singing on a small scale and would like to start with a minimal setting without much effort. I’m relatively tech-savvy, but not a real expert either.
I don’t have a setup similar enough to replicate your situation, but I have a suggestion to possibly work around your problems.
It’s tricky and not always even possible to have 2 audio devices active at the same time.
To my understanding, your keyboard is not only sending midi messages but also audio over USB, so it “looks” like a 2nd audio interface competing with your UR22C.
My simple workaround suggestion would be to connect only the UR22C to your iPad and use plain old cables to connect your keyboard to the UR22C. (remove the hub)
Hopefully, you have a set of analog audio cables (mono TRS to TRS prob.) and a 5-pin MIDI cable to try this?..
Ahh, that’s already helpful. It could be like this. The keyboard sends and receives both midi data and audio data via the USB port to/from the UR22 mk2 , and this confuses the system of my Cubasis 3 on the iPad Pro 2016.
It also sends an audio signal to the speakers of the keyboard instead to the stereo out of the UR22 mk2 - probably all due to the fact that everything comes via the USB cable - quite confusing for Cubasis on iPad Pro 2016. It results in a lot of unpredictable behaviour.
Yes, I have now removed the camera adapter and connected the line-out of the keyboard to the line-in 2 of the UR22 mk2, and yes, I can now record both audio channels simultaneously. But my goal was actually an instrument midi track.
Could I solve the problem by connecting the keyboard which has no output for a traditional midi cable to the back midi in/outputs of the UR22 mk2 using a USB to midi in/out adapter to transfer pure midi? Like this one: www thomann de/at/esi_midimate_ex.htm ?
In general, I would also like to supplement my half-knowledge about Midi and take a in-depth lesson somewhere on "Midi from scratch". Would you have a good address or a suggestion for me? I’m fed up with not really knowing my way around
The ESI MidiMate is unlikely to work in this context. Its USB port is only meant to be plugged into a PC/Mac (host side), not into a keyboard (device side).
The best/simpler solution would be to disable the “USB audio” feature from you keyboard so that it will appear only as a MIDI machine to your iPad and not compete with the UR22.
What’s the model of your keyboard? There’s probably a sub-menu somewhere to disable USB-Audio from it.
To your last question, I grew up with MIDI from its early draft versions, and am already “fluent” in MIDI (better than in English… ), so I never looked up for courses, but maybe Berkelee has something??
( slice of personal history - I designed and built a complete midi effect computer from scratch in 1989… time flies… )
In addition, you may check out our “Getting started with Cubasis” tutorial (see below), where Dom shows how to record MIDI and audio using external gear (aside from showing all steps using Cubasis to create a full blown track).
I’m sorry, @Johne1 - I just briefly looked over your replies this morning, and meant to dig into them in the afternoon, only to find you’d removed them. I think my problem was accurately described there at a certain point. Anyway, thanks for taking the time for the detailed info, even if it has now unfortunately disappeared …
@LSlowak - thanks for the online manual, which I had already studied in detail. Thanks also for the video from Don, which I already knew.
The problem seems to be that my keyboard has no midi output and only USB. With this alone I can connect to the iPad easily and everything works well. But my goal is to hear the voice from the Mikrophone (via UR22) and the MIDI keyboard simultaneously via the headset of the UR22 and record them on two separate tracks. For this purpose, I plugged the USB of the keyboard AND the USB of the UR22 into a hub and connected both to the iPad.
Apparently, however, the iPad also recreceives the audio data from the USB port of the keyboard in addition to the audio from the XLR microphone - and this causes a driver conflict. There is no way (after studying all the manuals) to switch off the transmission of audio data in my Yamaha P-125.
I currently have two possible solutions:
I need a new master keyboard with a traditional MIDI output, this will then lead directly into the MIDI connectors on the back of the UR22.
I need a new iPad (???)
I forget the plan of the minimal setting with an iPad and go for Laptop + Cubase
not yet, unfortunately - but I am getting clearer.
Thanks so far, anyway.
Sorry, but not knowing your keyboard model initially, I made a wrong assumption that it appeared also as an audio interface (like my main kbrd), not only MIDI device like it actually is… so my initial theory was wrong - sorry again.
So I need a new theory as your setup to my understanding should work…
Let me think about it some more, but you don’t need a new iPad and don’t give up on Cubasis just yet…
@Y-D - My Yamaha P-125 has two AUX outputs on the back - that’s where the audio data come from, or so I thought. I sometimes connect active speakers there, or the line cable (TRS (L/R) to the UR22 input on the front side (although it will receive only mono there) - and they all receive the … audio, right? No?
@LSlowak - Thank you for going into detail with me. I really appreciate it.
I’ll make a sketch for you. Cubasis in the iPad is obviously confused by this constellation. Alternatively, I would need a different interface or a different keyboard (with a five-pin MIDI output to connect to the UR22). Or not?
Yes indeed, but that’s all analog audio.
If your Yamaha supported audio over USB (which it does not), that would be digital audio. Same type as the digital audio over USB that comes from your UR22 to the iPad.
The setup you describe should work… and the fact Problem#1 disappears with an iPhone tends to prove that.
Maybe a more recent iPad with the latest OS would work better, but no guarantee since we don’t have a root cause yet.
I’m much puzzled… I have a recent iPad and will try a similar setup this weekend if I can spare an hour.
Gosh, you’re right! I didn’t think of this! In an increasingly digital world, I seem to forget that there was or is something like analog audio. So no way the iPad can be confused by two audio sources when there is only one.
The other possible weaknes could be the cache and performance of the iPad, a iPad Pro from 2016 (A9X Chip / 64‑Bit / Integr. M9 Copr.) - however, this is second guess.
I just found exactly this cable with the option to send it back if it does not work. I will try it and let you know! Thanks so far.
Very seriously doubt it will work.
These (like the previous one) are made to connect to a USB host (a PC or Mac) not to connect to a USB device like your keyboard.
Sorry I don’t have a better suggestion to offer…
A newer iPad with latest OS should fix at least one of your 2 problems, like the iPhone did. You know one you could borrow maybe?
