Only an example: every psychologist will tell you the dangers of including AI agents in early child development. You talk about brain plasticity, and then botch it up like this. If you REALLY want to give your child a life long treat, get him to learn an instrument. To learn about effort, about dealing with frustration, about the joy of achievement. All that you are throwing away in your cosmetically treated nonsenses. If I was a gambling man I surely would bet your post was AI written.
So, MIDI - pre-arranged drums, will not be my drums. It will be someone else’s drums. I take pride in what I do. If I don’t know how to program drums, I will learn.
The microphone thing you mentioned to drums, I get the analogy, but I draw the line to performance and self - recording versus another person or a machine doing the job for you.
I don’t play the bass, I don’t play the guitar or any orchestral instrument, other than the piano/keyboards, but I make it my mission to record everything on Cubase, humanly possible by myself, as this will be my music.
Now, to get joy and inspiration, listen to the greats, study them, and find out how they do what they do. It worked well with musicians, from amateurs to the greats, for hundreds of years, and this process still works pretty well.
Sticking an AI prompt-based (as per the OP, Suno-based) generator is not the answer.
And to paraphrase a fellow musician, weeks? It took me 15 years to get to a level where I felt I knew what I was doing. I have been working the in music industry for 35 years, and I am still learning…
I don’t advocate for a 1-click make a song function !
But let us have AI tools to help us get stronger parts, programmed performances, all tweakable according to our creative vision.
If you don’t like it, don’t use it.
Nobody forces you to build your own table to eat on either, feel free to go chop wood !
AI composition is here already, some use SUNO and claim they created a song. Some will use AI DAWs and blend AI work with theirs, Some use virtual instruments produced by others. Some purely record audio performed by people. All of it has its place whether we like it or not.
We ALL defend OUR way to see things and it is understandable. But it’s not that hard to let others do their thing too…
As long as there is no harm (hence the copyright thing which is another issue..)
So me using AI to get help making a drum beat doesn’t make it my parts?
So all the hundreds of awesome tunes that used samples from other tracks were also not theirs? See the logic. People used tools to create, that does not mean they had to create everything from scratch, they used, cut, pasted, tweaked other stuff.
In the same way I would do with AI-generated suggestions. As long as it is not a 1 click or 1 prompt process, as long as there is conscious creative human input (and ideally some kind of human performance), it’s crafting music in my opinion.
For me the harm is already done. What you see as a blessing of self-sufficiency, I see as a curse of a needless man, alone, competing against a world of loners.
Artists who use samples register said samples (unless bought in which case, the artist gets a cut and sometimes publishing) and the artist who wrote said samples gets paid.
You confuse modern music creation with samples, which, as I said, are registered with PRS/BMI, etc., and a prompt-based service that has used questionable methods to serve the “music” you order .
That’s not what the OP suggested here.
Hey good to know. Stronger parts suggested/created by AI, though, will not be your parts, as per my point I made before.
This is fraud, in some parts of the globe, an imprisonable offence.
Copyright laws are tough and can lead to lawsuits, and to very succsessful artists, million in losses. I would not touch this AI thing with a barge pole, let alone to let it write my music by "helping me"come up with parts.
As a fellow musician said, harm has already been done. There are crooks who have created entire fake bands out there, selling music as their own, when it is not theirs, a drop in the ocean to what is heppening in the wider sense.
Yeah, there’s the small issue of conning companies ripping music from hard working musicians to make a quick back.
The question today is no longer whether AI will become part of our daily lives or not — it is being imposed on us, just as calculators, computers, and smartphones were before it, eventually becoming indispensable. These “advances” force themselves upon us, and even if my generation (born in the 1950s) is not particularly keen on them, the generations that follow will adopt them and then impose them.
That is precisely why, knowing that the worst-case scenario could be total dependence — resulting in a decline in the cognitive abilities of our descendants — we must adapt to these AIs by taking the best they have to offer while remaining independent and autonomous.
As with other domains such as nuclear energy or social networks, what begins as the best can turn into the worst if poorly used. Categorically refusing it would be a mistake. Adopting it intelligently is the best strategy — turning it into an ally rather than a dangerous enemy.
Poetic writing.
But why competing? Why can’t we have some help of an AI bandmate / production-mate just for our own enjoyment?
I like all here despise SUNO generic copycat music. Not what I’m trying to do.
I’m just trying to bring my ideas to life. I will keep learning all instruments for the next ten years, I could also pay $$$ on Fiver to get pros to record for me. Or I could use AI to create parts, or parts of parts, mix with my own instruments, vocals, mix myself. Still is my original music, my lyrics and melodies, whichever way I use to produce it.
How to call it then? I’m not saying you’re sticking your head out of the window each morning shouting “that god damn bass player from across the street has mixed another banger overnight, I’ve got to keep up.”
I’m saying that this whole deal with vstis and what not has alienated us musicians from each other for quite a while now. Let’s not call them shops. Call them labs. Everyone’s got their own. Bassist’s lab, guitarist’s lab, drummer’s lab. Great for them individually! Room to grow and all that. Now take a venn diagram of the three. Billiard balls on a table. No intersection. Each one on their own. They are not actively working against each other, but to me it looks from a distance that they are working against their common interest. The more tools they have at their disposal to replace each other, the worse it gets.
I understand, and I agree with you on the iinteractions, of course !!
My favourite music is based on that, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, etc.. !!
But when we are alone, what to do ?
If you invite me over to your studio, I’ll bring delicious homemade food ;))
Now saying that, I should explore VST Connect and work with other people like that ..
I am envisioning a hybrid version of Cubase that still keeps its powerful offline and traditional workflow features, while also offering AI tools for the new generation of users and for those who want to speed up their creative process.
Personally, I am not a big fan of subscription based Cubase by integrating AI into it.
It would be great if Cubase could offer a flexible AI integration.
For example, if a user already has a subscription to an AI service like ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok, or Claude, Cubase should allow them to sign into their existing AI account directly from Cubase and use their current subscription and usage limits.
That would prevent users from having to pay extra subscription fees to Steinberg for the same AI capabilities.
For users who do not already subscribe to an AI platform or want to additionally subscribe to Steinberg based AI, there should be an option to subscribe to a Cubase provided AI service through Steinberg.
If Cubase can make music creation easier and faster with AI assisted workflows, it could attract many more users.
This is a great opportunity for Cubase to become a pioneer in this space and strengthen its market position.
All someone, Suno or some other company needs to do, is make an ARA plugin version of Suno. I don’t see tools like that being baked into a massive musical tool like Cubase. It just does not make any sense.
2 votes so far!
I really don’t think people here are going to waste their votes on this which is already obvious. Not that our votes ever really had that much influence.
This is off-topic but I’ll say it again: many of the recently added features had been high up in the voting chart.
Either it is a huge coincidence that Steinberg has a roadmap that coincides with what forum users vote for or they simply let themselves be influenced by the votes.
Safari Audio has Meaw Assist. I think that plugin is what a lot of folks here are arguing for. It’s AI, but it’s not making music for you or in lieu of you, it’s assisting with music related tasks and questions. I’d argue it’s worth checking out for many of the posters in this thread
Ok…ok…kind of true…we need to promote this voting thing more then. I was being kind of vague since I have not looked at all the data and recent features.
Someone from Steinberg should do a pinned write up of what’s been implemented/acheived according to votes. I see a few things in the high votes list checked off.
Hi, I had a look at Meaw now. I think it is fairly weak, it’s just able to give advice.
What I personally would like more is an AI bandmate producer able to help me suggest parts :
I feed it a bass line, I pick a drum VST and patch I like, it offers suggestions for MIDI parts
I feed it a chord structure for a verse, tell it a style, it gives me options for chords for the chorus
Those would be situations that I could find myself stuck in, sometimes for weeks and months, not knowing where to take my songs (those hard to finish ones). AI could help. It’s still a far stretch from SUNO one click stuff. Here it would still retain my creative choices.
And remember, dear professional producers and composers, lots of people buy Cubase just to play at home, not looking to release. They are allowed to have the toys they like to jam and play the way they like, for enjoyment only.
That said I am also against AI-generated music ! And I’d clearly prefer to be able to do everything myself !!
I’m just trying to find a balance ..