Hi all,
May i ask about Cubase overall performance running the Ucore 9 285K ?
Anyone testing it?
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It would be great to have some feedback
Right now. It not easy to choice a new setup on PC
AM5 had issue with iLok
What’s about I9 285 K. Cubase ? vst3 ? iLok ?
I am also very interested. I will build a new PC soon hence curiosity.
In theory Core Ultra which may be not the best for gaming will excel in productivity. I hope.
Tom
It would be nice if Steinberg would publish research / analysis / development styled blogs in relation to Intel / AMD / Apple Silicon platforms, Windows / MacOS operating systems and hardware drivers and provide us with some insight into the pros and cons, advantages and limitations, research and findings in relation to Steinberg Cubase software development / functionality and what their recommended hardware specs would be for the best compatibility and stability to help users make better informed decisions when building a new computer and buying equipment.
For example:
- CPU architectures
- CPU instruction sets
- CPU core parking
- Memory controller latency
- Single threaded vs multi threaded efficiency
- Interupt Requests (IRQs)
- Potential problematic BIOS settings
- CPU onboard graphic drivers analysis
- Discrete graphic card drivers analysis
- Audio Interface drivers analysis
- Windows and MacOS operating system updates
- User error reporting trends
etc.
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100% !
Customer Satisfaction up 
I’m still tweaking with a fresh AMD build but ilok doesn’t seem to be a problem here. (ilok cloud or whatever it’s called) Or maybe this is only a concern with 9xxx AMD cpus.
Actually intel Arrow Lake is blame to be less performant than 13 and 14 generation especially in single core, but they are much less energy consumption (so no overheating).
Intel says that performances should be better with next few bios update, let see…
At the moment it’s too early to make the move with intel… Intel in trouble… the time will says…
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If you don’t follow computer tech news regularly, some users may be unaware that Intel Raptor Lake 13th and 14th Gen CPU’s have been struggling with stability and physical degradation issues and now intel is also having teething issues with the new Arrow Lake 15th Gen CPU architecture with stability issues which may or may not get addressed and fixed with future BIOS and OS updates. But at this very moment it would be un-wise to purchase a Intel 15th gen system in my opinion.
I have been a intel fanboy my entire life, however if I were to build a new computer right now specifically for music production I would personally choose the AMD Socket AM5 Zen 4 or AM5 Zen 5 platform paired with either the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X or the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X workstation CPU.
(I’m taking reading lessons now…)
I think Intel will be fine. They have good products (and I say that as an AMD fan that has only built AMD DAWs).
AM4 is the previous generation socket from AMD and the top generation CPU is the 5000-series. So anything higher will not work on AM4.
AM5 is the socket for 7000- and 9000-series CPUs. It is also expected that AMD will release at least another generation for that socket so it should be a reasonable purchase.
Results from the tests that are usually done by Pete at Scan just showed up:
Q4 2024 DAWBench round up – Intel Ultra 200 Series and AMD 9800X3D
Charts:
I have asked Pete to write up an explanation of what the respective tests “mean” and then give us all a link to it, because as it stands now it’s hard to tell and reading the review article (you should) is maybe not enough. Short version:
“DSP” is for running plugins. I think they’re using a heavy multiband compressor or something. They just keep stacking more and more of them across many tracks until playback results in dropouts. The number is the number of plugins.
“VI” is “virtual instrument” polyphony. The number of voices played at the same time.
“BUS” is supposed to be a longer chain of plugins. It was created as a test after users said long chains of plugins would require a CPU that could calculate more per second in a single thread because processing demand was serial, not mainly parallel.
I think the best way to use the charts is to start by asking yourself what it is you do and therefore which chart applies, and then secondly if you have a requirement when it comes to the buffer size. Atmos requires medium-big buffers for example, and some people playing live want buffers that are as low as possible.
EDIT: For example, the 285K offers a 14% advantage over the 9950X for someone using a bunch of plugins in parallel using a 512 sample buffer, but moving to more serial processing it’s almost exactly the reverse. Someone wanting the smallest buffer using virtual instruments should get the 9800x3D for a tiny 4% margin at 128 samples, but if they can get away with a 256 buffer the 285K is 12% faster (not sure about 64 samples but I would expect maybe the x3D would have a bigger lead).
To me they all look like really good processors. Just slight differences depending on what the use case is.
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To my understanding the AMD Socket AM5 Zen 4 just means the 600 series chipsets. AMD themselves have announced 7000, 8000, 9000 series compatibility with ALL AM5 platforms. However it’s important to note that the 600 series chipsets will not support the 8000 and 9000 cpu series out of the box and will require a BIOS update before it can boot up.
But to avoid any issues, I agree that it’s best just to choose the AM5 Zen 5 platform (800 series chipsets).
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html#chipsets
I misread your post.
Sorry.
It’s ok you made a valid point. I would personally choose the AM5 Zen 5 platform myself. But AM5 Zen 4 might be more affordable for some people, but there is the risk of running into issues. The user needs to double check the motherboard manufacturers website to make sure a suitable BIOS update is available to support the CPU and they also need to know how to update the BIOS.
I’m running a 9950x here with C14 and have no issues. ilok is NOT an issue anymore.
M
Like , When was the iLock problem on AM5?
And for how long?
Been using the AM5 B650e chipset since October 2023 and never had such a problem.
Most of the plugins I use, run off iLock “pace”
Before the AM5 , I had no issues at all with the AM4 X570s chipset and the B550.
It was a problem on the new 9000 Ryzens until a recent AGESA patch.
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Hi,
I just changed, 15 days ago, the motherboard (ROG STRIX Z890-E GAMING WIFI), the CPU (Intel Core Ultra 9 285K), the RAM (CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 2x32GB 6400MT/S), the M.2 Nvme SSD drives (Crucial T705 1TB, Crucial P3 Plus 2TB and 4 TB) from my old PC.
I tested several old projects (audio and MIDI) under Cubase Pro 14 and noticed no audio dropouts and no performance issues.
Attached is a screenshot of the audio performance monitor. The project under test includes around fifty audio tracks, 15 VSTi instances and around 140 VST FX instances.
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This is the first review I’ve seen for the new Intel processor and great to hear no issues. Did you have to change BIOS settings similar to the i9 13th/14th gen to accommodate for the issues related to them, or are those issues seemingly resolved now with the Ultra 9 285K? I’m torn whether to go the new Intel proc route or AMD Ryzen 9950x for my next PC (coming soon).
I wonder if this benchmark applies only for samples based VI but will be irrelevant for soft synths like Serum?
That’s possibly true. Not that a virtual instrument doesn’t use CPU resources, but sure, it will likely be heavily weighted toward the memory subsystem. I think that was very clear when Intel moved to DDR5 as well as when AMD added the x3D V-cache parts. They all performed better on that test specifically.
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