Is it impossible to render if i'm using control room?

i’m using control room and created cue send for a/b mix
and i tried to render some tracks and it came out as an empty track.
is it because my stereo output is not connected to anything cause i’m using control room?
is there any way to render while using control room?

thanks alot

Hi, so I use control room and am able to render the main output quite easily.

I’ve never tried to render the cue sends as those are intended for individual musician headphone monitoring.

I think the best way to solve your issue is if you upload screenshots of your control room and your bounce/export window

hi. thanks for taking your time to reply!
i found out that it’s possible to render just like before while using control room but the problem is i wanna render with current setting like including plugins and it ends up with nothing. rendering dry signal or exporting audio is working fine. btw this is my settings now.

thank you so much.


Hi, so I think you’re confusing the difference between your main output channel and the control room.

The control room is specifically designed NOT to render the plugins that are placed on it. It is designed so that you can use room correction (EQ that adjusts for inconsistencies in the frequency response of individual listening environments). For instance my room has too much low end, so I add in an EQ to compensate for that. That way I don’t hear my speakers extra low end. But I don’t want the EQ to render on my mixes, I just need it to adjust my speakers.

You need to be placing your plugins on the main output channel instead.

I don’t have time at the moment to go into more details, but I hope that helps.

Maybe someone else can chime in or I can check in later.

Hi,

Do you mean Render in Place? Yes, you can do this. You can even set different points in the signal path, where do you want to Render. Maybe it’s worth to try these different settings.

Your Stereo Out settings is set (to Not Connected) correctly.

Are you using Direct Routing? If so Rendering only works when the first slot is Selected.

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I cannot render an instrument track to audio while the Control Room is enabled. The VSTi is the ROLI Studio Player. I wanted to render the track dry as one event (there are two separate midi events on the track); Tail Mode: Bars & Beats, 2.0.0.0, 32 bit float; no custom name; saving to the project audio folder; mute source tracks. I’ve done it before with this track on a previous save iteration/version of this project (before I began using Control Room yesterday). Today I could not get it to work until I finally tried disabling the Control Room. After I did that, the track rendered to audio as expected.

My Control Room settings were similar to atthebitterend95’s images above except that I’m not using any cue send, but I have a second monitor going to my headphones.

Cubase 13.0.41
Windows 11 Pro 23H2
Intel Core i7-9700K @ 3.60GHz
32GB RAM
Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 (2nd Gen)

The Control Room should only effect what you hear in the room and nothing that gets Rendered or Exported. However when the CR is Enabled it has exclusive use of whatever Audio Interface Port it is using. Which means that specific Output Port will not available within Cubase as a normal Output destination. This suggests something related to that Output is incorrectly routed.

Are you routing the signal of the instrument to your "Stereo Out? As said before, the CR has nothing to do with what happens “inside” the project. If your F4 Outputs are correctly set to “Not Connected” and the CR output is routed through your main monitors of your interface plus phones there shouldn´t be a problem. Which interface do you use? Are you routing your signal through any outboard gear? Maybe post an image of your instrument routing, that might help as well.

Thanks for the replies.

All of that makes sense to me, @raino . I’m trying (unsuccessfully so far) to figure out if the problem is between Cubase’s routing and that of the Focusrite Control software for my 18i8.

@Reco29 The ROLI track is routed to “Stereo Out,” the F4 Outputs of “Stereo Out” are "Not Connected, and I was having no problem getting sound through the CR to my Main Monitors (which are output from 1&2 of my Focusrite Scarlett 18i8). Maybe it’s something with how the Focusrite Control software and Cubase are communicating, because I also noticed I couldn’t hear panning through my headphones yesterday (I had them routing through outputs 3&4 on my interface software and Monitor 2 of the CR). When I changed the CR output to “Phones” (instead of Monitor 2), then the headphones wouldn’t mute from CR when I turned off the activation button (no matter which outputs I used in my Focusrite software). One more thing I don’t understand is if all of my tracks ultimately route to “Stereo Out,” but “Stereo Out” is set to “Not Connected” in F4 Outputs, then where does that signal go?

Also, Render in Place options were grayed out today while I had CR enabled (they became available again as soon as I turned off CR).

Clearly I’m missing some things. :confused:

Hi Brad,
I second your guess that your Focusrite Control Software might be involved. However, I think that you should first familiarize yourself a little bit more with the concept of the control room. It is not rocket science at all - actually, it is quite simple once you get behind the initial concept. Trust me: it is WORTH IT. I am not dodging from helping you, but here´s a really good tutorial that explains all you need to know about the setup of a Control Room with cues etc.

I really like this dude´s tutorials, cause he comes straight to the point, is well prepared, is not boring you to death with unneccessary details, and he is not throwing a level of excitement at you that is borderline annoying. Invest 20 min of your time, check the setup of your CR again afterwards and maybe you´re good to go;)

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