Is there any way to limit a particualr layout to a range of bars in Dorico Elements?

I’m on Dorico Elements 5 and have been scouring the documentation for a way to limit a particular layout to a range of bars, but haven’t found it. Is it perhaps a limitation in Elements compared to Pro?

There’s no way, in either Elements or Pro, to make a Layout only use a range of bars within a (larger) Flow.

A Layout can contain one or more complete Flows – and also you can have other Flows in your project that are NOT included within a given Layout.

Perhaps if you explain what you’re trying to achieve in more detail, there might be another way of doing it.

Thanks for the letting me know, very helpful. I’m working on a score that has several players that only join in at the tail end of the tune so it would be convenient to simply specify a bar range for the layouts for those individual players. I’m already aware of various workarounds, just somewhat surprised that bar range can’t be specified.

Surely the presence of a multirest would be sufficient to indicate that those players “only join in at the tail end” (Or am I missing something?)

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You’re not missing anything, but if I had the choice I’d prefer to just show the beginning of the section with its bar number and no multi-rest. That may sound silly, I know…

You could split the flow just before where these extra players come in, and only include the second flow in those players’ part layouts.

You can make the barline at the end of the first flow appear like a normal barline, instead of the standard “final” barline, and change the bar number at the start of the second flow so it appears to carry over from the first flow. That’s a manual change, though: if you end up removing/adding bars to the first flow, the bar number at the start of the 2nd flow won’t update.

However, if these players need to rehearse with the whole rest of the ensemble anyway, you could consider keeping it all in one flow and giving them cues to follow along with what is going on around them? Although the automatic cues feature is only available in Dorico Pro, you could emulate it in Elements manually (by copying the relevant material, and making the notes smaller).

It’s generally standard to give each player a complete overview of the piece they’re playing in, rests and all – and you’d run a much lower risk of one of these players confidently starting to play at the very beginning of the piece!

As a player, I’d want the whole context, to avoid any misunderstandings in either the rehearsal or the actual concert.


Thanks for all those suggestions. As I said earlier, I’m already aware of the workarounds. As for the actual players, I only have two actual humans that will be overdubbing the parts (myself and my long time musical partner), so my preference for how these charts are formatted is purely personal (and I agree, non-standard). What I didn’t realize is that few others, if any, would care about this feature. Not a bid deal, and again, thanks for all the help with this.

If you’re just punching the parts in, I’d take Lillie’s suggestion, split the flow at the entrance you’ll be overdubbing (or include a little preroll for context or a cue), and just include that flow for the overdubbed part. Alternatively, include multiple instruments on one part, but hide the unused instrument up until the point of entrance. That way you can follow along and make sure you’re punching in at the right spot too.