Issues in Steinberg Assisted 5.70 install

Dorico
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Installing the 5.70 upgrade with the Download Assistant has been a nightmare.

When I started with the 5.50 version, I became rapidly aware that the disk footprint of Dorico was hugely beyond Finale’s. And I already needed to make room on my main drive. With the arrival of 5.60, I had the feeling of needing again to make some room, which started to worry me. But this time it went way beyond that. But I am not sure of the reasons.

For details my main disk has 100GB space, and I have an external storage of 1TB (Western Digital Passport). When I started, I had close to 20GB free on my main drive.

I decided again to use the Steinberg Download Assistant (though I generally mistrust such monster helpers). I clicked on Download All, without overriding the target folder. In retrospect I realize that I if had specified a target on my Passport, I might had had no problems, or at least no noticeable ones, and I now think that without an external drive, Download All is to be avoided. But it had worked the first times. As a result, the assistant started to “install” Dorico itself then then the 2 HALion Sonic files, the stopped. When prompted with Install Again the next file, I was told that there was not enough space on my drive. It seemed strange to me that the space would have been already eaten up, but I started to move to the Passport whatever could be moved form the main drive. This was repeated for each big sound file (at a very slow rate) till by the end of the day, everything appeared to installed… and I had 200MB free on my main drive!

On the positive side, I could run Dorico, which identified as 5.70, and worked, but I was not satisfied. I launched a Windows Explorer Search for .vstsound files, and I tried to transform the result on the screen inro an usable excel file. The Copy Path provide me with name and folders, but not sizes and dates, and I could not find a tool to help, so I did it by hand, which took most of the next day.
vstsounds.zip (17.6 KB)
Looking at it, I saw there were 255 files, for a rough total of 41 GB. And I could determine a lot of this data existed both in the “normal” application space and in the Downloads target space. The duplicated files amounted to roughly 16 GB. The duplicated files had the same sizes but of course not the same dates.

Admitting that I removed the duplication, the sound files would amount to an (extravagant) 25GB, and I would recover 16GB for my main drive. And if I had used my external drive, I would not need to do anything. Or would I?

Is it really normal that I would have to remove them myself? Should not the assistant had done it? And should they not be removed by being moved to override the former application ones? Even if the sizes match there could be a difference. Actually, there are only 2 application files with the 2024-11-21 download date, Soundiron_Olympus_Micro, and FCP_SMT_009_HSO_Horns_Tutti. Is that significant? Could it be that the assistant did not finish the job properly, and that the sound files are not necessarily updated? Actually I would not really mind, but I would like to be sure of where I am at.

If I want to completely forego the download assistant next time, I know it is possible to install stuff manually, I think there is a link somewhere describing the procedure?

Since I had some room before I started the install, and made more during the install to help, and the sound files do not appear to have a bigger footprint, as a result I should have expected something more like 30GB than 16, unless the new version comes also with more footprint for its own purposes?

As for the application vstsound files, most of them are under Program Data, and some under Program Files, is there no way to relocate them to an external drive? 1/4th of my main drive storage space is a lot!

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20 GB is extremely small free space. I would never ever let my free disk space Go below 100 GB.

My system disc is a 2 TB SSD and I have at least 4 TB external High Speed SSD attached.

Usually this is the easiest way of installing all new Software. If you use the Download Assistent regularly it knows what is already installed and what needs to be added.

To avoid filling your system disc you can define a download location in the settings, I have pointing it to the external disc.

That allows me to keep at least four or even five previous releases, in case I need to go back.

Don’t do that, instead avoid Install all and click on each Install package separately.

Yes you can install everything manually from the download pages in the Support Pages on the Website. But that does not solve your extreme small disc space.

Steinberg applications do not overwrite previous Installations, which is a very useful feature. You can easily Work and Test with different releases.

Regarding Sound packages, they can be managed by the Library Manager, there you can move them around.

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Your last sentence is very intersting.

I did not know Library Manager could fo that. Can you direct me to this feature?

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I’m sorry you had these problems. When a new update is released, you typically only need to install the Dorico application itself, not any of the content: if there’s any updated content, we would normally also advise you specifically to install it. So Install All is the right thing to do for new installs, but not for updates. I can understand, however, why you would be encouraged to click it!

The good news is that once you’ve got Dorico itself installed, you can delete the Steinberg folder that remains behind in our Downloads folder: everything in there can be removed after the software has been installed.

Steinberg Library Manager is a separate application, installed automatically when you run Steinberg Download Assistant. You can find details of how to move content to another drive here:

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Thanks Daniel :slight_smile: . I did not realize immediately that @JuergenP was speaking about Steinberg Libray Manager, and was just realizing that when I got your post!
And I was wondering if I had been doing something wromg all along, so thank you for making things clearer!

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Hello again @dspreadbury !
I started to use the Library Manager. When I hit Move, I am asked to enter a new “root” folder for the selected library. The editor does not help, because I expected to be shown the current root folder, but the editor only shows C:Documents, which happens to be the current value of Library Default Location. The help page suggests that the Default Location is C:\ProgramData\Steinberg\Content which is what I expected. It would be more reassuring if the Library Default Location was initialized with that, so that the Move editor would show it, As it is , I entered F:\Manual Backup\pmc\ProgramData\Steinberg\Content, F: being my external 1TB drive. The selected library was Ikonica Sketch, a small library as an exeriment. The new Ikonica vstsounds are now in this folder, but I suddenly worried whether there had been an extra Ikonica Sketch folder in the original details.
Did i made the right choice?

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Or was it en extra \VST Sound that I missed? Looking at my excel file suggests it!

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As long as the content can be found in the location where Steinberg Library Manager says it is expecting to find it, all should be well.

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I suppose so. But I am stlll worried: from my excel file before I started moving, the 2 Ikonica Sketch files were not even in the same path:
SMT_037_Iconica_Sketch_Presets.vstsound C:\ProgramData\Steinberg\Content\VST Sound
SMT_038_Iconica_Sketch_Samples.vstsound
C:\ProgramData\Steinberg\Content\HALion\VST Sound
Is the original path hierarchy meaningless?

THis is maybe related to a remark I had already occasion to quote:

[quote=“Janus, post:16, topic:947600”]
I know you are obsessed with logic
[/quote] :slight_smile:

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Exactly how the .vstsound files are arranged in the filesystem is, I’m afraid, outside of my area of expertise. I believe there may normally be some division between the .vstsound files that include only the presets, and those that contain the sample data, but I’m not sure.

In the end, provided Steinberg Library Manager shows no errors, and Dorico shows no errors at start-up, you probably need not worry.

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You are obviously rught about the presets: when a Library “factory” storage uses more than one folder, this is to separate presets from non opesets (samples?). This means that with the bent intentions you cannot move all Libraries in a way compatible with the “factory” model. This makes me a little uncomfortable.
Do I detect a degree of tongue-in-cheek humour in your last words:[quote=“dspreadbury, post:10, topic:953840”]
you probably need not worry
[/quote]? I remember you saying that you were british :slight_smile:

Is there a chance that this might be a suitable subject for support (@yamaha in my case)? They gave me the impression that they saw themselves more as resources for installation problems?

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No humour intended, so let me be clearer: provided you are not seeing any problems reported in Steinberg Library Manager or by Dorico itself, you don’t need to worry.

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No offense meant either :-). I hope you did not take it wrong.