Lets Talk Halions Future Halion 7.5 March 2024

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Hello everybody. Hope you are well!

So, Halion 7.5. Let’s call it March of 2024 :grin:

What do you wanna see that you think Steinberg could realistically pull off? I’m voting persistent windows and surround plugin stability! Oh yeah, how about that sweet EX5 Plugin. I seriously think I’m the ONLY PERSON on this forum that loves that synth! HA!

Amadeus e.d.p.

I’d like to see it evolve as a modular synth.

So, HALion 8. Lets call it March of 2029 :crazy_face:

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Scab,

Why are you being so conservative friend?! I’m calling Halin 11. 2030. Like the second month after Labor Day. :grin:

Amadeus e.d.p.

I would like to see better scalability of the interface, and much richer options for sequencing and generative playing, along the lines of Falcon. I would also like to see a major overhaul of the FX within Halion, and fresh, new macro UIs for all of the older synths, in the Verve mould. Also, ideally, I’d love to have preset previews a la Komplete Kontrol, but I’m not holding my breath.

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Peter,

Very good list of wants. I think those are some solid things that I can get behind as well. I would like some updates to the library. Specifically in the keys and the pianos. I agreee, having an overhaul of the effects would be welcome.

I WISH that the surround plugin wouldn’t cause Halion to crash so much. I’m on like 15 crashes a day and it’s maddening. Like the worst. PLUS it corrupts my presets. Ouch!

Amadeus e.d.p.

Halion 7 set us up for the future though. I think we now have some kind of a parity point with the MONTAGE. I just kinda wish they would unify the synths across the board Ala Roland Cloud.

I like the ability to be able to use sounds across devices. At least in principle. I have a Roland Integra and if Roland Cloud is anything like it…then I’m sticking with Halion.

Amadeus e.d.p.

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SFZ Import for 7.5. And AN-X with Montage patch compatbility. As we have VA already, it’s clearly a minor change :wink:

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I second that bnz! I’ve been listening to the new AN engine. I have an EX5. I used to own a AN1-X. It sounds very good. I can’t say it’s BETTER than the Halion VA engine, but I like it a lot. PLUS that second LCD screen!

That’s what you call nighttime studio eye candy! Am I right? :joy:
Amadeus e.d.p.

A lot of good ideas!

To me, the most important would be MIDI out like Falcon 3 just got

  • Modulation of FX parameters.
  • More FX from Cubase. Make it Cubase Pro dependent if you have to, I don’t care, just make them available. Yeah, I want them ALL there, incl the new C13 Pro FX, why not?
  • Midi out
  • All midi FXs from Cubase, incl players. Allow Midi player chaining/routing, like in the Reason Rack. Ability to map played notes to Cubase Chord track during playback. Player trigger from key stroke.
  • Templates for macro page, ie a 4-layer sample player with FX. Think Roland JV-1080 architecture but more FX and with a macropage with premade graphics, tabs, and knobs. Just for me to drop in samples as one shots of fully mapped/looped wavs. Then I can save it as my own VST3 preset. Other styles of templates too.
  • Import of E-mu Emulator X3 patches, incl Bank batch conversion.
  • Make Halion Chord Pad presets available in Cubase and vice versa.
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full auto sampler , I don’t think there is that much to add as HALion already samples , but it would be handy if HALion could play out the Midi its self .

Like Logic Pro X - Auto Sampler

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Yeah, grayedout,

Logic has those really great tools to get things done. That would be amazing to be able to just auto sample directly into Halion.

Amadeus e.d.p.

Kenk,

What would midi out do? I’m lost.

Amadeus e.d.p.

Rikk,

And this is the big mystery isn’t it! Like some of the plugins in Halion are clearly Cubase Plugins (Reverence, etc). Some of it (to my ears) sounds like older DSP (some of the EQ’s, Compressors).

Very little of it sounds like the effects on my Motif. I would give the Yamaha keyboard the edge there in quality. So I wonder if we should be wanting the Yamaha DSP (which is Synth Focused) vs the Cubase Effects-which are just general DSP.

I wish we had some of those epic new Reverbs that some of the new synths have. I would also like to have more stability on the M1 Platform! Using the Surround Sound plugin gives me like 20 crashes min a day.

I wish that you could set Defaults for the plugins when you load them! This drives me nuts. I don’t want to have to click the “EQ” button on the Reverb every single time I load it because I’m gonna need to remove that booming! Or if I set up a killer EQ curve that works for 90 percent of sounds, it’s just laborious to have to do so much clicking!

FM synth doesn’t work for me. I’m not sure what’s going in there. Reaching out to support. They have been really good. Steinberg has Apple totally smoked here. You can actually call and talk to a real person who will help! And they don’t charge you!

Ok. That’s waaaaaaay too much Amadeus for one day!

Amadeus e.d.p.

It would allow you to record the output of a device such as a HALion FlexPhraser to a separate MIDI track.

This is similar to what programs like Xfer records Cthulhu and UVIs Falcon do. Interestingly, Steinberg’s Groove Agent 5 does allow this.

Currently you can manually arm a HALion FlexPhraser for recording and then drag the recorded midi to another track, but direct midi recording would give you more flexibility, especially if you program your own MIDI devices with Lua in HALion.

Yeah,

It’s pretty cool how we all want different things. I would never need something like that but you guys have some advanced desires.

I just want better DSP. The new EQ24 is not bad. But I would literally eat my cutoff knob for Fab Filter inside Halion! Wouldn’t that be sweet?

How about if you own say T-RACKS from I.K…you can pay a “nominal fee” and get those effects inside Halion? There should be like a 3rd inter plugin that can go inside other plugins like synths.

Amadeus e.d.p.

They certainly could do a VST container like Waves Studio Rack with 8-16 assignable Macro Knobs, that also could be modulated that we can use inside HALion 7.

Rikk,

Please explain how this would work. Like how would you use it? Why would it be useful?

Amadeus e.d.p.

I can’t even imagine how amazing it would be to be able to have default states for the plugins. Like there are some moves you are gonna always do with regards to frequencies. Having to load up the plugin, then load up your default starting point is just a lot of wasted time.

I would also say that it would be cool if the Mixer was more intimately bonded with the Program Tree. So for example, if you have a preset loaded, but you wanna add a layer-you could just drag another preset from the Media Bay to the Mixer and it would add it to the current program.

Amadeus e.d.p.