Hi All,
I know VST Live 2 doesn’t support live camera, but is anyone out there using it in a show with that feature being provided by a third party app?
I need to be able to mix a live camera pointed at the performer with the video tracks, at certain times, pre-programmed on the timeline/song.
If anyone is doing something like this and can point me to suitable solutions I’d be very grateful.
Currently I’m investigating Millumen software, but I don’t know yet whether it will do the job, synced with VSTL. It looks like I would need to run all the video, tracks and camera, from a different app in order to have video mixing facilities, but obviously this needs to run in sync with VSTL.
Ah thanks FK ! That’s great. Both very expensive but I think the Avenue version of Resolume will be sufficient, still a lot of money but it will have to be done to get the job done properly. Just downloaded the demo and will start to play with it over the coming weeks.
I’d be interested in how you’re using your VSTL and video. What kind of shows do you create? I’ve been a performer all my life, and written a couple of Musical Theatre works but this is the first time doing a complex multi-media project alone. I will perform solo with little or no tech support initially so everything has to work perfectly (never say perfectly!). Any advice will be more than welcome.
I’m going to add the FR too anyway as the way shows work these days it’s pretty fundamental to include a live feed of some sort. Might be asking a lot I agree,but even a basic one camera input would be a start.
Not quite sure what you mean - I can already use OBS and have it automatically link my iPhone camera - I do it a lot for Insta vids etc.
The problem is integrating with VSTLive and the timeline etc. Also, OBS is not particularly stable, I wouldn’t feel comfortable relying on it for a live show tbh.
Thanks for the feedback, not sure at this time how to incorporate camera, whether it’ll just be a Logitech Webcam thing or something better. In any event it needs to be easily integrated within VSTLive so I don’t know how to do that. In a perfect world VSTL would see video device and be able to switch on and off as required - this is very much a timeline driven project, not a song by song patch - video will run continuously - but maybe I’m expecting too much. All the other apps that I’ve seen are far too complex for a one man show. Let’s see what develops. I’m a few months away from launching anyway so I’ll keep my eye on things. Not a deal breaker if camera can’t be live, it would just be cool that’s all.
I know a lot of shows use live cameras now so I’m just a bit surprised that there isn’t an all in one solution (other than extremely complex things like Arena or the other one I tried that looked like a bowl of spaghetti on my screen…!)
This topic “live cam view on stage” is soo much more complicated (did a few times already) including gear, latency, and many other tiny details, but better to say it demands min. 5000-10000EUR achieve this in a minimum acceptable quality.
I’m not talking about doing at home from 50cm from the camera… because that can even be done by an NDI app on the MobilePhone to PC/MAC. Talking about doing this from 20-40-60m from the stage and keeping latency as low as possible, preserving continously the right color and white balance, while shooting the stage from the right angle to avoid “feedback” when shooting front of a LED screen, etc… You can see he is using a BlackMagic converter too (that is the cheapest part of his chain) , finally I can’t tell you how disturbing to see such a delay on stage
Do you mean a camera 60 m from the stage? Because that’s not at all what I’m looking for. And this is not (yet!) and arena show. So we are talking small theatre size - 200 - 600 seaters, and a camera or two on stage no more than 1 or 2 metres from me.
In the video above he talks about latency, in fact when you see a Coldplay show or whatever at some arena there’s a noticeable amount of latency, but because you are too far away from the performers, you never actually realise (and I guess the sound is time - aligned).
Food for thought. I’m not looking for a mega-stadium super high quality video output, just something that looks cinematic in the context of a live music show. Plenty of people are doing this using QLab or GigPerformer. I’ve experimented with QLab and it works, but the overall workflow doesn’t suit me. VSTL does, and if they add the basic camera functionality it’d be great! The camera input is not the main feature of the imagery - just some cut-ins on guitar solos, or close ups on vocals, the main “movie” image will run constantly.
I used to use two Super-8 projectors back in the 90s - the quality was terrible ! And technically prone to complete break-downs of course - But it made a great show (if you were in NYC during 91-94 you may have seen my “The Eye Camera” shows).
Nowadays with a reasonable 4K camera you can project the image to a 2 or 3 meter wide screen and get more than acceptable results.
I’d love to know more about your setup, I think you use film/movies on stage?
I know there are apps I can integrate with VSTL, but my brain is wired in such a way that it gets overloaded thinking about these tricky integrations, timecode etc. A one-stop solution is what I want.
