I’ve got nothing against windows, but there’s nothing wrong with a mac either.
Depends on the concept of “wrong”… overpriced hardware is wrong in my book.
Cubase lacks stuff, logic lacks stuff. I prefer Cubase, but still, no daw is perfect. I’m curious as to why cubase still lacks an easy way to do Bounce in place, where is clip automation as in FL or Live?
Don’t consider that an advantage based on my work methods. …same reason why I use Live, but in many ways is pretty useless. … personal preference methinks?
Btw garage band is considered popular, and yet I could never understand the attraction. …one man’s rubbish another’s slice of heaven?
Cubase is the most complete daw i think, I used logic for five years or something but switched when c6.5 came out. There’s something about the workflow there that suits me, key commands cover alot of things you cant cover in logic. Never tried garageband, if it’s like a semi logic app (?) then why not just buy logic?
The C7 mixer has a LOT of extra power features over the LPX mixer, though. Most basic (and important) advantage is that the Logic Pro mixer has NO support whatsoever for mouse-over scrolling parameters. Used to quickly nudging values as you mouse over? Forget it. In Logic you ALWAYS click. Heck, sometimes you even need to hold the mouse click down for an extended period. (something I’m not fond of C7 adopting!)
For those of us whining about all the extra clicking in C7 mixer… play with Logic for a day…
I believe Cubase will catch up to Logic Pro X’s appearance faster than Logic Pro will catch up to Cubase’s functionality.
I was thinking about trying Logic. I thought I was missing out on something. People I’ve talked to that use it, speak highly of it. Now I don’t think I’ll waste my time with it. There’s definitely been some good info in this thread especially on how Logic compares to Cubase. From everything I’m seeing on here, Logic is a step backwards. Besides, if I ever want to use Cubase on a PC I can…I’d be SOL if I wanted to do that with Logic.
Logic X is actually a terrific DAW, and it’s lighter on resources then Cubase on my machine. Nice bounce in place function built right in. ES2 still sounds fantastic. Logic is a solid choice.
However, I’ve always been frustrated with the mixer and routing in Logic. Audio and midi editing in Cubase are still way ahead of Logic. Cubase just seems more intuitive to me. And I still like the Cubase GUI better, even over LPX.
I can make music in either DAW, but I just prefer working in Cubase.
Agreed. And I would describe myself as a loyal and enthusiastic Cubase fan (since 2000) were it not shackled to such a cumbersome copy-protection/dongle scheme. So long as this is the case, I will always be keeping a close eye on Logic to see how it’s coming along.
After having spent the last three days working with Logic X (I used Logic 7-9 extensively before Cubase and Nuendo), I have a few observations.
The bad
VEP multiport doesn’t work well at all in Logic X. First, the layer does not import correctly, so you have to redo the cables in the environment. It seems to work ok as long as you keep each port to one channel, but for me was buggy beyond that. I did have it working for a short while, then it started having issues again sending more than one midi channel per port…
Had to trash Logic 9 preferences, as X crashed constantly on first launch. Not a big deal, but Apple should have some kind of warning…
Still needs some bugs worked out overall, seems like apple really didn’t beta test as thoroughly as they should have. Environment is buggy (dragging and moving objects, etc.)
The good
Logic X workspace is very nice, mixer is well organized for the most part. Looks clean.
Drummer. Although it looks absolutely idiotic, is quite well done and sounds great. Really quite an amazing tool and completely unexpected.
Performance is very good. Low latency mode is great, midi latency is low even with higher buffers (I work @ 96k).
Instruments are much better than LP9, there are a ton of useful plugins and instruments. Very well done.
Price is a no brainer.
Both Steinberg and Logic have excellent apps for IOS, although the Logic app is on another level.
Conclusions
I ended up giving up on testing Logic any more for now due to the bugs and problems with VEP multiport, etc. along with a few other things that reminded me why I moved from away from Logic in the first place. I do have a couple of thoughts in comparison with Cubendo though.
First, Steinberg really needs to get moving on releasing Groove Agent 4 as a counter to Drummer. This IMO surprisingly is the biggest draw in the Logic X update, and Steinberg really needs a response to that. GA3 is no longer available, so they don’t have anything comparable.
Second, Steinberg needs to really focus on improving performance under OSX. It’s just not as good as Logic, and that’s an issue. CPU spikes, higher latency, etc. are still a problem. I think they also need to improve the appearance or at least allow better customization of the new mixer.
I don’t think price is really a fair comparison. Steinberg will never be able to compete with Apple’s pricing. It will likely mean though that anyone doing music on OSX will eventually purchase Logic. Steinberg will need to ensure that they don’t lose their share of the market when that happens.
For me, the workflow in Cubase/Nuendo is much better than Logic for the way I work and it has superior editing etc., I’d just love to see GA4 released soon, and Cubendo performance vastly improved under OSX.
Just my observations and opinion, take it for what it’s worth…
I’ve put 4 or 5 days getting into the nitty gritty of Logic X. As has happened in the past, I miss so many functions that I take for granted in Cubase. I think I wasted my time and eagerly look forward to a stable Cubase 7. The main draw to Logic was its GUI. It looks fantastic and the mixer is really great. I especially the way its new folder structure works: if you collapse a folder on the arrange page, the mixer channels collapse as well. Very neat and tidy. Of course the fonts are pin sharp, unlike Cubase 7 which are fuzzy.
Agreed. Also there seems to be some issues with the video handling, which is now using the Quicktime X engine, not the older QT 7 engine (try to load an old Sorenson encoded movie - won’t load). Users with one monitor seem to be unaffected. Add a second monitor and you start to get a lag when hitting play, intermittently. Add a third monitor and it gets really bad.
It does boot really fast, but is still slow to load if you have a lot of EXS libraries (I don’t use them at all).
I’m a long time Cubase/Nuendo and Logic user. IMAO, if Logic X had gain handles, and Cubendo had “vari speed”, they would both be near perfect.
Mac users with all your spikes, glitch, blurry graphic, odd graphic and mixer view that doesn’t work with Cubase 7 on OSX.
Can you please do us all a favor and do a “boot camp” and tell us all who perform and overall work best on what OS?
Logic on OSX, Core Audio VS Cubase 7 x64 ASIO 2 under Windows 7 x64 / Windows 8 x64?
I love to hear the results.
I’m just saying the medicine is-----> PC with Windows 7 x64 / Windows 8 x64 and Cubase 7 x64.
