Looks like a bug in the Musical Mode feature

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I cannot set Musical Mode or write in the tempo for a loop.
In below picture you can see three loops in blue that I pulled in from Splice.
For the top two , I typed in the correct BPM in the Pool Window, then set them Musical Mode. They stretch with tempo, great. Works as it should.

But the third loop named Talkbox_016_G#m_114 some bug prevents its normal behavior.
The Pool window refuses to accept my BPM when i type it in, it reverses back to ‘???’
It doesn’t stretch with tempo, yet it displays a Musical Mode icon in the Audio Event.
However, the Musical Mode indicator at the info bar and in the Pool Window says it is not Musical Mode.
Everything about this Audio Event behaves as if it is not in Musical Mode and it refuses to accept Musical Mode.

Any ideas?

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Maybe something weird with that file?

Is it maybe corrupted and/or write protected?

What happens if you bounce it and work with the bounced version?

Or what happens, if you grab another copy from Splice?

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Check the Audio File from the OS and make sure it isn’t set to Read Only.

EDIT

Just noticed you don’t have a Tempo Value set for the Audio. Pretty sure you need that set in order for Musical Mode to behave properly.

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Maybe it’s corrupted file? Can you open it in audio editor, i.e wavelab, audacity? You could then do extra export to check it again in cubase

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As I mentioned, Cubase refused to accept a tempo when I typed it in.

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I FOUND THE BUG!
I had previously used Melodyne 5.4.1.004 ARA on this Audio Event (the most recent version). I changed it back to “No Extension”. BUT ARA IS NOT 100% RELEASED.

The Audio Event has no ARA icon, and the info bar shows no ARA extension. But Cubase still thinks ARA is applied somehow.
I discovered this by dragging in the exact same wav file from the PC Windows browser, and immediately it showed an ARA icon and the info bar that said Melodyne.

I tried swapping different ARA extensions on/off, but Cubase refuse to release the Melodyne ARA for this Audio Event.

Other Audi Events in this project DID release Melodyne 100% after removing it, so it is ‘random’.

I have noticed the same issue with Syntheziser V ARA extension, it is not fully released, even though the Audio Event looks like it has nothing on it.

Please Steinberg, log this issue.

I temporarily solved it by Bounce In Place.

Cubase Pro 13.0.30. Windows 10.

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I encountered some strange bugs with ARA / Melodyne a few versions ago - like parts playing while muted and ghost parts playing and not being able to delete events… not sure if the the bugs are still around around but it may be a good idea to bounce any ARA modifications after they are done so you don’t see strange behaviour halfway through a project.

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How do you know it’s a Cubase bug and not a Melodyne bug?

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I used another ARA extension from another manufacturer, same problem, not being properly released, hence the probability points to Cubase.

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Interesting.

Did you drag it onto the same track where the problem first occurred or a different track?

Have you tried making an empty project and dragging that same file into that project?

If Cubase thinks that file is ARA, then it would seem to indicate that there’s something wrong with that file?

Also: I assume that you checked that there aren’t any other track versions of the problematic track in that project?

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Nico, please read carefully what I posted above.
The Audio Event had Melodyne applied, then I removed the ARA, but Cubase did not release the ARA plugin. When I drag in the same file again, a wav file that is already in the Pool, Cubase sees it is already in the project. You can test yourself, Cubase knows what is in the pool if you drag in a file a second time. So Cubase remembered it had ARA applied to this file, despite that I had removed it, but since this is a bug, Cubase applied the ARA plugin on the very same file again. At this pont I have one event with ARA icon and the old event (same wav file) showing no ARA icon. I hope this makes it clear.

There is no magic ARA applied on this wav file ahead of time.

Yes, I did drag it onto the same track.

This problem appear with other ARA plugins as well. Cubes does not release the ARA properly for some reason.

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Did anyone from Steinberg check this?