Major sixth natural harmonics to be recognized (feature request)

On the violin the major 6th natural harmonics are usually preferred before the majord 3rds. They produce the same sounding pitch (one major 3rd 2 octaves above the open string). Unfortunately Dorico doesn’t recognize major 6th harmonics:

  • don’t playback even if it is correctly defined in the Harmonics properties.
  • surprisingly it is not possible to assign a string to major 6th harmonics (Note and rest property - String).

In Elaine Gould’s Behind Bars table of natural harmonics, p 417, the major 3rd is put in parenthesis as an indication I guess that the major 6th is to be preferred (see attached picture).


Thanks

I sustain your claim! I always have to make a work-around to do this type of harmonic.
Also would be nice to have the option to show the real pitch in a parenthesis above the harmonic linke this:

Seconded, or thirded. The major 6th natural harmonic can be a matter of necessity rather than preference, due to hand position.

I also need this harmonic. Is it in the works?

It’s on the backlog for possible future implementation.

As a string player this is one that I often need to make a workaround for it on Dorico, the maj 6th nat. Harm. is much much more stable and reliable than the maj 3rd and it would be really nice to have it in the next release!

I had to use it again yesterday, so I’ll back the implementation of this feature for tomorrow morning! :slight_smile:

Any workaround, for the night?

Paolo

Oh yes thanks for your post. Me too, I hope that this will be included soon, it would be extremely helpful and time saving. Is there a chance that this will come soon?

Yes, quite needed also in my case. Natural harmonics at the 6th (and at the 10th, as shown above) would be a nice implementation to already a great harmonics handling.

How do you make a workaround?

I’d also love to see this supported! It’s something I use quite often

Did I miss something, or it is still impossible to do a major sixth harmonic?

Paolo

I think it is still impossible to get the correct playback. I wish the node -property would be updated for even just the 5th harmonic, since it is so common.

If someone has a trick or workaround to produce the correct notation and playback for the sixth harmonic (without a hidden staff), please let us know!

Here is a workaround for playback of the sixth harmonics

  1. Create a the corresponding third harmonic in Down-stem voice 1 (for harmonics playback).

  2. Engraver mode: hide the note head, the stem and if needed the ledger line.

  3. Write mode: Create the sixth harmonic (Up-stem voice 1), define it as a natural harmonic (for future Dorico updates).

  4. Surpress playback of this one.

    sixth harmonic.dorico (430.9 KB)

Another thing I miss from the implementation of the natural harmonics is the ability of choosing the string.

For example, in the Violin touching the major 6th on the 4th string (E4) is interpreted by Dorico as touching a major 2nd on the 3th string. Therefore, instead of getting a B5, you get a D7.

Incidentally: I think the major 6th harmonic is used much more often than the major 2nd one, that is much weaker than the surrounding ones. In any case, it would be nice to be able to choose the string, and be able to use any of the physically possible harmonics.

Paolo

You can do this already: set the “String” property in the properties panel.

Thank you, I had missed it!

For the major 6th harmonic, unfortunately, this will not solve the issue, since you can’t choose the lower string:

Paolo

Indeed, the issue with the major sixth harmonic remains on our backlog (our ref: STEAM-9888).

Dorico 6.1:

For stringed instruments, the Node property now also affects the notation of
harmonics on notation staves; previously, artificical harmonics for stringed
instruments would always be notated as if the first node was used, regardless of the
state of the Node property. In addition, the playback of natural harmonics using the
White diamond notehead style is now correct regarding the choice of node.

YAY!

Thank you Steinberg!

I am also very happy about that the node property has finally arrived!

I’d be interested in some discussion on what would be the best practice to notate open string harmonics. Perhaps some of these could be natively supported by Dorico in future?

Here are some options:

  1. open string in brackets, white diamond note head indicating the touch point* This is my current method, since it plays back without any workarounds. I have changed the “Circled noteheads” to have bracketed notes instead. If I then select a circled notehead for those notes, only the lower one will be affected. Thus I get this look and correct playback. The bracketed note will indicate duration.

  1. string indicated with a bracketed note, diamond note indicates duration

  1. like option 1., but also diamonds indicate duration

  1. String indicated with text, diamonds indicate duration

  1. Diamonds and text, duration not really indicated…

  1. No brackets at all

I am a bit hesitant to use the black diamonds, since from far away they look almost like normal note heads. I’d prefer if the diamond always looked the same. But I’d be very interested on any thoughts (or just personal preferences) on this topic. What would be the best practice?