I’ve been trying to solve the problem of lots of extra notes when midi recording from the Roland TD50x set and nothing has worked. I now tried their suggestion of disconnecting from the computer, creating a midi loop and with local control off playing, and I recorded. Then I exported the result to a card and open on the Pc, and have a midi and an audio file. I went to the song project I wanted to put this and put the cursor after all the other stuff, and selected the track and chose import midi. I select the file and come back and no I don’t want a new project and press enter and nothing is there.
I create an empty project and set the cursor at the beginning and it imports. Why not with the desired project?
Ok so I record midi all the time with my td50x kit.
So are you using midi over usb? If not why not?
The only reason to have local off is if you are sending the midi back to the td50x to play the sounds. Are you doing this?
I use the vsti SD3. I use midi over usb (I don’t have audio enabled from the td50x as I don’t need it. I use an audio interface)
If you explain what you are using as your audio interface, are you wanting to use a vsti or the td50x sounds?
Great to find someone with the same TD50x. I only turned local control off to try the midi loop thing suggested by Roland to find why I get doubled notes. ( I still did, with it disconnected from the computer )
So normally I have been having it play its own sounds and it is through its own USB. My audio interface is the Presonus SL16R, with 2 channels for the TD50x audio. With headphones in that, I listen to the TD50x and everything else.
You prefer the sounds of the VSTi SD3? I remember another thread where someone preferred other drum sounds.
So the loop test is checking midi. Connecting out to in, turning local off then playing should prove midi is working. If you hear a flanking sound then local is probably still on.
When you say doubles do you mean every note is doubled? If yes then that is when local should be turned off.
What exactly are you doing then? If you are using midi and audio over usb then you still need local off. Where are you monitoring from? Cubase can only use one audio interface so it’s either the td50x or the SL16R. Are you recording the audio from the td50x over the td50x audio interface?
Sorry for so many questions but it’s quite hard to understand exactly how you want to work. Knowing that would enable me or someone else to work out where you are going wrong. I doubt the td50x would produce doubles. You may however get double triggers (so not every note is doubled ) if pad sensitivity is too high.
Regarding vsti’s. Yes a good vsti like SD3 is miles ahead of the td50x for realistic drums. It uses multiple samples for each velocity layer recorded in pristine quality. My kits in sd3 are gigabytes in size. The 50x has nowhere near that amount.
The way I work is
USB to computer.
Vendor mode not enabled so no audio interface (midi works)
Vsti loaded in Cubase with input from 50x midi selected (or all inputs)
Play td50x while monitoring through my audio interface (bufferers need to be low to minimise latency)
Record midi on vsti track.
When happy/edited midi render track to audio. Either as a stereo file or multitrack. Vsti’s like SD3 have multi outs so you can render to separate tracks.
Do you have the whole VAD kit? I liked it for its sensitivity when I tried out but maybe that is why I get double triggers, even using the midi loop, local control off and disconnected from the computer in the test I just did. I recorded this on the TD50x, and then saved to a card and imported into cubase. the midi hardly seems like what I played as I had BD on all the downbeats and yet are missing. But there are double triggers. This was just a test.
Normally I have the TD50x connected through its UBS and record midi only. I am listening to the midi’s audio output through the SL16R mixer. When I am satsified with a track, tweaking to get rid of doubles, and some quantizing so I can get a good score, then I play the track and let its audio record onto a new audio track. Picture is with the test as above.
I don’t have a vad kit. I have all three digital pads and have and a combination of older td20 pads. So those notes look to be too far apart for anything else except double triggering. Record midi and open a general midi map or the list editor and check if you have bass drum. By the way the hi hat generates quite a few different notes as well.
I hadn’t labelled the notes but the BD was present in the test. The 4 notes together at the beginning of M10 is about right. What is strange is that repeated pattern appears previously and successively away from the 1st beat. In previous test, I have found that Cubase’s metronome and the TD50x , if started at the same tempo and time, have kept together for whole songs though not synchronized otherwise. Yet here, though the MM for the test and song were 120, it goes way off in a measure. But BD was on all downbeats and disappeared. When I actually recorded the same pattern into Cubase as usual, instead of this test, they show up on those beats.
And yes the HH has different outs with the edge and other areas and I couldn’t figure out in a recent recording why I wasn’t seeing the open HH where I expected. Some were on a different drum name, I found later. Which is a continual problem for me, as saving drum maps doesn’t seem to work for me. I save under a name, try to reload and just get GM rather than the name, so each new project I have to make the same adjustments to get some of the right sounds and score positions/heads. Picture is of the same test, where I moved all notes so that at M10 start is right position. Such a mess.
I’m not sure what you are doing with drum map saving as I have saved mine.
I’m struggling to work out what is going on. So forget the loopback test (although that is showing doubles ) just record midi into Cubase. What are you seeing if you do this?
Reducing sensitivity a little bit does not stop you creating fast drum rolls etc. there is also a retrigger setting in the td50x which could be the problem. Have you tried a factory reset? If not try one. Before you do then backup the kits you have modified or created to sd card.
When you save with a new name, say TD50x, when you go to that and load does it come with that name? Not with me. I’ve had other problems with Cubase and TD50x. Some midi notes were an octave away from what the Roland says, and it took some time to figure why I heard nothing from such a drum, till I renamed its output. And originally output C1 worked for the bass drum output note, coinciding with its pitch. and I recorded drums with several projects. Then later on a project I wasn’t hearing the bass drum and I found I had to change it to C0 to hear. And so all the projects recorded with the set in Cubase 13, when I go back to play, I have to change their BD from C1 to C0.
What sensitivity settings might you recommend. Also on suggestion from Roland, I adjusted the HH a lot and the triggering, but still get lots of double trigger. where is the retrigger setting. I’m wary of factory resetting as it took a lot of adjusting just to be able to play the set as it is now, back and forth with roland, who still hasn’t replied to my last post in over a week because they said they are too busy. I’ll record something later today.
I’d have to look through the manual for the retrigger setting as my td50x with all my gear is in storage until my house move goes ahead. It might be the detailed manual which you get from the Roland website as it doesn’t come with the kit. Just as easy for you to do a search on it.
I’ve never had notes change from project to project so I’m guessing something else is going on here. I’m a bit lost without being able to go through Cubase myself to check things out,
retigger wasn’t in the online manual, but I did find just now in the data list and specific info about the BD double triggering by bouncing back, which I know is part of my proble, So I will read more about this masking. Way more info here than the online reference manual. 8 uses of mask in the datalist about changing the value and none say how to get to the parameter and not in the reference manual. So they say to adjust it and not where the setting is. Looked under trigger some but didn’t find and I have to actually play now instead of spending more time reading.
I think you get two manuals with the td50x and the reference one online. I found most things by digging down the trigger menus on the td50x. Remember you can scroll down as well which reveals more options. I’m hoping to be set up again by the end of the month. I’m beginning to really miss playing.
