More Surprises: existsing data pushed one measure over

Cubase
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Since my first post, I have learned quite a bit about Cubase. This is my firt experience with a DAW. I found some good training videos. They were not free, but they were much better than what I had been finding. Anyway…

I loaded a midi file I recorded on my Yamaha DGX into Cubase 13 Pro to edit the Tempo Track I had messed up.

I exported it back out, and started recording a Piano in Track 4. (actually recording over an existing track, replacing Clarinet with Piano) . Instead of the new recording placing right below track 3, all tracks got
pushed to the right one measure.

I have pictures with notes pointing it all out. Hoping some light can be shed on this.

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What is the reason you are juggling MIDI files back and forth between your DGX and Cubase as opposed to do all your recordings in Cubase directly?

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I am just now learning Cubase. Given that it’s a very steep learning curve. I may very well do that, but I’m not ready at the moment.

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I think the discoveries you’re making with regard to notes being pushed forward by a measure etc., are caused by how your yamaha is encoding your song into midi, and not by how cubase decodes the midi into the tracks in your project.

I don’t want to discourage you from trying all the things out on your own, but I kind of agree with mlib that you should try to directly connect your keyboard to your computer and try recording stuff inside cubase. (Cubase has a steep learning curve, but this setup is easy to do. And we’ll help you if you have any questions)

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Actually the basics of using an Instrument Track are pretty straightforward.

Certainly much easier than trying to shuttle MIDI data back & forth between platforms designed for different purposes at different times using dissimilar technologies which make different design assumptions about how their internal rulers work.

Seems to me like you are creating a lot of unnecessary extra work and confusion for yourself by taking this approach.

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That all makes sense. I suspect I will start using it to record.

Apparently assumption that midi was a standard is iffy.

In the meantime I still want to resolve the issue, but it’s starting to sound like it’s not feasible.

An interesting note… I was looking at Cubase thanks to a recommendation from Yamaha. They apparently have some type of relationship with Steinberg.

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Not really, MIDI is one of the most successful standards ever created. But the stuff that is giving you grief isn’t really part of the MIDI Spec. MIDI specifies how information, MIDI Messages, are transmitted. MIDI defines the language, but it doesn’t care what or how much you say in that language

Imagine you have a Word doc with something you are writing. And you give it to a friend to proofread. But when your friend opens the doc they also insert a logo right before your text starts. This of course messes up the formatting & page-breaks. Your DGX is doing something similar, sticking a bunch of extra stuff at the start and that’s what’s messing up your bar-lines. MIDI isn’t causing that to occur, it’s some software on your DGX that is.

Yes indeed, they own Steinberg. Line6 too.

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Understood.

My point wasn’t stated clearly. My point is, if there is a midi standard, and anyone is writing to files that is using that standard, they shouldn’t be throwing stuff in at the front of the file that would cause a scenario as you described, and I am experiencing.

I’m going to contact Yamaha and see if the have any solution for this. Given that the told me I should use a DAW to update the tempos, and they recommended Cubase…this type of problem shouldn’t be here.

Maybe the tech didn’t really know this is a problem pulling in their midi files.