Moving an explicit rest independently horizontally (in an additional voice)

I have recently started with Dorico, and found a lot of info to understand and master enough to engrave a few pieces.
But here, I have been stucked for hours on the problem of MOVING HORIZONTALLY AN EXPLICIT REST ENTERED IN A SECONDARY VOICE. There is no handle to do so (in the “Engraving mode”/“Note spacing”).
It’s OK if it is a note, but not if it is a rest.
I have seen in a tutorial that you can change a “Voice column index” in the item properties (lower window) when in “Engrave mode/Graphic Editing”…
But “Voice column index” is not available for the rest (available, though not useful for the note just aside).

Have I missed something or is there a limitation here ? …Or may be another way to insert shifted secondary voice rests ?..

(I included an image summarizing the problem … hope it was uploaded…)

I would move it (vertically) with Rest Position property in Engrave.
rest

Yes, (although not giving a nice result here because of the e).
Thanks for the tip !.. I would rather go for a general solution for horizontal space adjustment, since I edit a lot of complex keyboard polyphonic music. It looks like Dorico is somewhat (much) less flexible than Finale for note moving, but I hope this is possible.

At the moment, the solution I have found is to add text attached to the top note, right-click “insert music symbol”, chose a 8th note rest, and then position it in the engrave mode …
Inserted-using-text-music-symbol

There are many experts here who do likewise (Sorry, I’m not one of them!)

Promising ! :grinning:

I actually have found a solution.
For whatever reason it looks impossible to set a “Voice column index” for the rest (why so ?!??).
So I changed the column index of top and low voices notes instead, from 0 to 1 (i.e. for ‘d’-16th and ‘e’-4th).
And now these two notes can move to the left independently from the rest (which is stuck in voice index 0, I suppose), and I finally get a circled handle on the rest enabling to move it on the right !!!.. (Pfewww… Weird).

As a consequence, it looks like it will not be possible to do that if only rests are involved. In this case they all will be stucked to voice column index 0 and it will be impossible to move them independly one from another horizontally (?).

Another workaround is to create a new notehead set containing a notehead for an eighth note that looks like an eighth rest. Then you could replace the eighth rest in your example with an eighth note, hide its stem, suppress its playback and change its notehead to use the new notehead set. Now you can move the fake rest vertically by changing its pitch and horizontally by changing its voice column index or by moving it in note spacing mode.

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That’s creative :sweat_smile: :v:

In this case, I have been known to hide the “real” rest and insert a fake rest as text. Then there’s no limit to where you can place it!

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John’s workarounds are the most creative ever!
One could just browse his posts through the years and learn that “impossible” is … just another word in the dictionary!

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…of a language he doesn’t speak.

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