I am trying to indicate a multiple harp gliss., and I am almost there but the rhythmic value of the high A should be a half note instead of a quarter note (we are in 4/4). How to I get this?
Hi @piping_hot_licks, not sure I understand your desired final result. Maybe like this? (using a second hidden voice and adjusting the final control point of the shorter gliss.):
Dorico file example:
double harp gliss.dorico (530.7 KB)
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Thanks Christian. The idea is to have the harp gliss with one hand, then restart the gliss in the same direction.
This at 20 seconds:
So with two glissandi, starting and ending in sequence but without a precise starting and ending note in the middle
Hi @piping_hot_licks, what I hear and see is more or less this (you only need probably an appropriate pedal to produce the F pentatonic gliss.)
[EDIT:]
Result and real notes notated (I am not sure about the overlapping point, though, it seems to be a little later, bit anyway the gliss. notation leaves this open):
Dorico file example 2:
double harp gliss-V2.dorico (609.5 KB)
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Is this close to what you are trying to achieve?
When I used the notes in your original example, the first gliss. did not play. I worked out that it was because in the pedalling chart I had tuned B to B#. When I changed the notated B to an A, it worked.
In the attached file, to see what was done, show signposts and voice colors.
Basically it is 2:1 half-note tuplets with the number and bracket hidden and one of the notes having had its notehead and stem hidden. The hidden notes were originally in the other staff.
I also did some removing of rests.
MultHarpGlis.dorico (620.5 KB)
Hey Christian
Thanks for the advice. I am actually not trying to recreate this specific gliss, but wondering how to have notate gliss lines with unspecified starting notes in the middle, that very typical harp sound.
Yes thanks this is the visual I want, but wont that create a misallignement of the lower half note compared to the rest of the (orchestral) score?
My first thought is that I think alignment should be OK.
The way to test this is, in the example Dorico project which I attached (MultHarpGlis.dorico), expand it into a score by adding a few more instruments and then inputting notes of various durations to see how they align.
The glissandi in your video example do not overlap in time, so they should not do so in the score.
Ill check it out
Honestly I just grabbed the first video I found on youtube. I really just want two glissandi lines with out a precise note in the middle. My original image is exactly what I want it to sound like visually. First note gliss down, then the other hand takes over starting from higher up, no temporal overlap. I can write precise notes ending/starting notes, and maybe what I am trying to notate doesnât exist. I just looked at some scores and didnât see exactly that anywhere, but I feel like I have seen it before.
As far as I know you donât have to prescribe overlapping hands by showing rhythmically where they should be, if the intended effect is that classic harp gliss. I would probably simplify it by writing the gliss and then use a text label which says âad lib.â or if you want to be more specific âad lib. overlapping glissâ or âgliss with overlapping hands.â But I donât think you need tell them to overlap hands. I havenât seen your example too much in literature.
One of my favorite pieces with harp, Ravelâs Introduction et Allegro, has numerous gliss moments where harpists must use two hands but itâs not written in the score, they just know/decide how to play it. In that piece the moments where Iâve seen harpists overlap hands are written like this:
Apologies if that is not what you mean, but thatâs definitely one of the most iconic harp sounds right there!
Thanks, this is totally what I was looking for. I will just write ad lib next to it; way easier.
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