My experiences with Dorico and my wish list (long)

My first music notation product was Sibelius, and for many years it was my only one - until I got a copy of Dorico a few years ago.

Right away, I could see how Dorico was the most sophisticated music editor on the market. Flows, condensing, frames - all game-changers. Best of all, I can use flows to add musical examples to footnotes, something very difficult in Sibelius - and possible only using static graphics. Switching in terms of the user interface was a mixed bag, although I do wish that Dorico had a numeric keypad like Sibelius does. My review here focuses on engraving, though, since the printed results are what matters.

Unfortunately, I noticed that there are some things that Dorico can not (easily) do - even some things that the other music editors do support - and so I do still use Sibelius from time to time. Although I am using an older version of Dorico, I will only include items that (to my knowledge) remain unavailable in the current version.

  • Problems with instrument changes and transpositions - there are several of them, and the existing workarounds here are the hardest. When changing transpositions, the numbering changes also. For example, if I have Clarinet in B-flat I and Clarinet in B-flat II and I want them to both switch to A, I get Clarinet in A III and Clarinet in A IV. I do not want to number separately by transposition, because that will alter my numbering for other instruments. Much more importantly, I lose condensing when I do this. As helpful a feature as condensing is, its utility is compromised when I am limited to only one instrument - especially since B-flat to A for clarinet is a very common instrument change, even now. I can try to change instrument labels by hand, keeping separate players for each transposition as in the following item, but this sometimes results in inconsistent labels, especially when condensing. Another issue I’ve noticed is that the staff label for some horns will not include ā€œaltoā€ or ā€œbassoā€ as needed. For example, a horn in B-flat alto will appear as ā€œHorn in B-flat Iā€ and there is no way to get ā€œaltoā€ where I would like it to be. (Related to this: I cannot add a custom flat or sharp in the staff label.)
  • Adjustable instrument ordering. This isn’t just about Flute III/Piccolo - well, it is, but even more complex. I’m notating a score with piccolo and three flutes, in which Fl. III doubles Picc. II. No matter which group goes on top in this scenario, a static order necessarily results in players of the same instrument being either non-consecutive or, worse, out of order. The existing workaround is to create separate Fl. III and Picc. II players and merge them in a new part layout. (Actually, a rather clever hack!)
  • Rastral size presets and size reset for breaks. When setting a new space size during a system break or a frame break, I would love to have the same rastral size presets as seen in the Layout Options and Custom Staff Size. I love the rastral size presets in Dorico because the results are far more uniform that way. But this is important for the breaks as well; it is much more consistent to ask to downsize from size 3 to size 4, for instance, than to specify a 93% scale or even a 4.6 pt space size. Right now, I have to reference the Layout Options for the presets every time. Additionally, it would be nice to have an option to reset the space size to the layout default instead of again checking the Layout Options. Right now, I get size resets ā€œfor freeā€ (automatic, in fact) only when I start a new flow.
  • Beaming by syllable in vocal scores - both Sibelius and the (former) Finale support this. I’ve sung in an amateur choir where a piece new to our repertory used rhythmic beaming. Every one of us got a break in syllables wrong because the second syllable, which was intended for only the last eighth note of the measure, was beamed to other eighth notes belonging to the first syllable. (In fairness, a slur would have helped clarify the break; the score did not include this.) My point here is that plenty of singers continue to rely on flags for this purpose, and not the position of the text.

A few other features I’d like to see that aren’t quite as important for me are a tenor voice with a standard treble clef but still sounding an octave lower (i.e., with the octave assumed, as in many classic scores); a bass clarinet instrument that consistently uses bass clef even in transposing scores (I’ve edited the instruments XML file, and I know that we now have a proper instrument editor, but still, nice to see as a default feature); some additional standard instruments (basset clarinet, cannon - playback might be an issue); uniform indentation for systems using abbreviated staff labels (maybe just an option to use the maximal abbreviated length for all such systems - ā€˜quick and dirty’, but this does reduce the number of calculations); and proper playback of triplet tremolos (not exactly a question of engraving).

I’m sorry again for the length of this post. Most of these issues already have their own threads, so I just wanted to write a run-down of the ones that stick out most to me.

EDIT: Another issue that I noticed, which I believe is still present even in Dorico 5, is that condensed labels omit the last full stop - e.g., ā€œFlute I.IIā€ instead of ā€œFlute I.II.ā€ - which is inconsistent with the ā€œI.II.ā€ playing direction in Engraving Options, which I use. It would be nice to add the last full stop back for consistency, and maybe even add more options for condensed labels generally. This is also a lower-priority issue for me.

Just a little ā€˜sidebar’ note from me - I read these types of post and remember when inevitable/unavoidable comparisons with Finale/Sibelius are made, that both those apps had around 20+ years head start on Dorico.

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Welcome to the forum. Many of these have been discussed and requested before, as you point out, and the team is well aware of them.

That’s not what I get.

You’re right that Condensing doesn’t work for the second pair of instruments held by a Player; and I’m sure that’s a limitation that will be addressed at some point.

That’s exactly why Dorico had ā€œcosmeticā€ octave clefs from day 1, so that you could use either the G clef or G8 clef on the Tenor ā€˜instrument’. Just add a G clef at the start.

As you say, the Instruments Editor lets anyone customize things as they want.

I’d be interested to see this example. As a singer of some 50 years experience, syllabic beaming has caused many more problems than rhythmic beaming in rehearsal. But it’s on the To Do list for the team.

I think this is the best option one can expect (at least for the near future). Having the flute automatically switch staff position when changing to piccolo is a big ask.

This would be a real improvement; I hope we will see it in the near future.

I’m not so sure it’s on the to-do list; regardless of anecdotal evidence, the practice is outdated and generally discouraged for modern editions, and if you really need it, manual re-beaming is quick enough with some appropriate keyboard shortcuts. And if Urtext accuracy is actually your goal, surely you wouldn’t want to rely on an automated script for that anyway.

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Thank you for the welcome. I created a test Dorico file to demonstrate what I am seeing with players. The print layout, as can be seen in Engrave mode, renumbers the clarinets in the second flow. This is in an older version (3.5); maybe newer versions (when?) change this behaviour.

I saw that the clef change does work, but only if I do it manually for each flow. If I try to make it automatic via clef overrides, this appears to affect only the part layout and not the score. The test file has the clef override, but I removed all manual clef changes. Like I said, a minor issue since the existing workarounds aren’t too difficult.

As for the vocal example, I unfortunately don’t have a copy of the score for my own perusal.
Instrument Test.dorico (1.3 MB)

Well, if you’re keen for improvements, then I’d recommend upgrading to the latest version for starters.

In Dorico 5, you can also create your own instrument definitions, so you could save a Tenor with G clef for use in any document.

You may have already seen that the licence server for the old eLCC licence will be closing down in May. I’d strongly advise upgrading if you have any intention to keep using Dorico.

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Thank you for the reminder about licensing. I actually do have a license for Dorico 5, but my older computer doesn’t support it. (If all, or even some, of these proposals are adopted, I may finally be tempted to upgrade!) In the meantime, I moved my eLCC to USB, so that at least my Dorico 3.5 license isn’t permanently tied to my current computer.

I’m not necessarily asking that it be automatic, and this would admittedly be hard to implement consistently - although a way to make it automatic (conditional formatting, perhaps?) would certainly be welcome. My idea was more that a system break could introduce a custom order, which might perhaps be reset in a later break or with a new flow.