New Page layout problem

[donaldskoog1]

Hi all,

I’ve been thru the manual and watched the tutorials, but I can’t seem to fix this. I’m sure I’m missing something obvious.

How do I get the layouts on pages 1, 3, and 4 to look like the layout on page 2?

Thanks in advance. I appreciate all the help everyone has given me.

[asherber]

It probably has to do with your settings in Layout Options > Vertical Spacing > Vertical Justification.

If you switch to Engrave mode, you’ll see a number in a colored box at the lower left corner of each page. I’m guessing that the second page is between 60 and 80% full, but the other three are over 80% full. Based on the default settings, Dorico adds space between staves and between systems on p.2, but only between systems on the other pages.

If you change the second value (“Justify distance only between systems”) to 100%, then Dorico will always apply spacing between staves and between systems, as long as the frame fullness is over 60%.

[donaldskoog1]

We’re on the right track! Thanks.

In Veritcal Justification I set both to 100% and turned off the ‘Justify Staves when frame with single system’ check box. I now have this. Is this as close I can get to even?

[donaldskoog1]

I guess what I’m asking is how do I put a little more space between the systems?

[jesele]

Try increasing this. Under Library→Layout Options→Vertical Spacing.

Jesper

[donaldskoog1]

That works too, but there are lints because it seems to apply to all the flows. I’ll keep fussing with it.

[donaldskoog1]

sorry “limits”

[asherber]

I would leave the first value at 60%. That will get Dorico to apply the same kind of justification to all pages. By setting them both to 100%, you’re telling Dorico never to apply justification.

[charles_piano]

When this topic comes up, it’s kind of a tradition to recommend @benwiggy’s handy guide

Pdf version here:

Vertical Justification settings.pdf (561,1 Ko)

[donaldskoog1]

That’s perfect! Thank you!

[asherber]

Here’s a somewhat longer description that draws on the above.

Vertical Justification Settings Primer

(with credit to @benwiggy and @jaskarbong)

Basic Rules

1. If the frame fullness is greater than the first threshold, then the frame will be justified by adding space between both staves and systems
2. But if the frame fullness is greater than the second threshold, then space will only be added between systems, not staves
3. Unless there’s only a single system and the checkbox is ticked, in which case space will be added between staves

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Examples

The demo page below has 2 systems, filling c. 60% of the frame.

Example 1

Both settings only activate justification when the frame is completely full; in other words, it will never happen (or will make no difference to an already full frame).

Result: Our 60%-full frame is not justified, and the values in the Minimum Gaps settings are used.

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Example 2

Both settings activate justification when the frame is empty; in other words, the frame will always be justified. However, the second option takes priority.

Result: The systems are justified by adding space between the systems. The staves are spaced using the Minimum Gaps settings.

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Example 3

The 60%-full frame falls above the threshold for justifying staves and systems (50%), and below the threshold for only justifying systems. So staves and systems are justified.

Result: The music is justified by proportionally increasing space between the staves and systems.

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Notes

• Changing the settings to 0%, 100% would mean that all staves and systems would always be justified.
• In Example 2, if the frame only had a single system, then the staves will be justified if the checkbox is ticked.

[donaldskoog1]

benwiggy is the best. Thanks for the guide!