I just upgraded to Cubase 14 pro. I am really loving the new score editor, but I can’t find a way to turn notes into grace notes anymore. I have searched.
The score editor interprets notes as grace notes sometimes, but not reliably. Is there a way to do that manually? It was easy in previous Cubases. Same with manually played trills - how do I turn those chaos notes into a neat trill in the score?
In theory, you should be able to select notes, then press the slashed or unslashed grace note button in the note toolbar. Alternatively, with pencil tool enabled, enable one of those buttons and start drawing grace notes.
However, both of these methods aren’t working as reliably as we’d like. As you found, the automatic detection of grace notes usually takes over.
We are working to improve this with a high priority for the next patch release. Sorry for the inconvenience in the meantime
As for trills, there currently is not direct connection between played trills and the trill symbol in score. That would be neat, and is something we’d like to explore further in future, but certainly won’t be available for a while.
Hi,
I know the trill problem. 
Again I would like to suggest a general hide function (for all!) elements of the score.
This allows you to simply hide all unnecessary trill notes and put a trill symbol on the one trill note.
But I would also like to emphasize the universal strength of a general hide function. This can be used to clean up and improve many things. Music notes can be very complicated and context-dependent.
best regards
the issue i isee is that it’s not possible to turn on grace notes when displayed… after spending one hour to find a solution, i see that grace notes appears when they are put on the 1st beat and the same place and time (or close) to the note / melody / solo played just after.
doing this force me to change the music / midi in the key editor and so how i played it.
i play always a grace note a bit before the “lead” note with a legato usually (for guitar solo playing)… so, i hope a solution would be allowed, to not “kill” the midi parts anymore just for this.
the other issue is the impossibility to change stuff in the score editor without having a change in the midi track part… to clean keyboards part or other stuff, I now create two tracks, one with the original midi not modified and one that i call “visual” and that i mute, so i can modify it in the score, without affecting the original midi track for the tune… i’m sure there is a better way to handle this… thanks !
Hi,
That’s exactly my problem. That was the great strength of the old score editor. You could change a lot (everything?) just for the view, without changing the underlying MIDI data.
In my opinion, that’s a general requirement for the new score editor, otherwise it doesn’t make much sense in a DAW environment.
You usually don’t want to change the original MIDI data for a note printout. But the printout still has to be adjusted and changed.
So in my opinion, the first step should be a general hide and move function for all elements. And also things like display transpose.
You shouldn’t rely solely on an automatic system. There are far too many special cases with music notes.
best regards
As I’ve said just above, the button doesn’t work entirely as it should. This will be better in the next patch release coming up soon, and will be improved further in future.
The Score Editor is still a midi editor. There are ways to influence the notation without editing midi by using teh display quantize settings (Instrument Settings) or display quantize events locally.
There have also been other threads requesting the ability to hide notes from notation. We are looking at ways to allow that in future!
The new Score Editor is different to the old Score Editor. The basic premise is to create beautifully notated music automatically, with the ability to influence that where required.
This new concept comes at the cost of flexibility, but it does open the door to finetune the results in Dorico. We realise this doesn’t capture every use case, and you’ve voiced your displeasure with the new Score Editor numerous times now. I’d like to encourage you to contribute meaningfully to the discussion. Furthermore, the Cubase 13 Score Editor is still just as usable as it was before.
We are addressing requests, including yours. Some sooner, some later, and some will have to be referred to Dorico, as that may just be the better tool for some jobs. If you have specific questions, please just ask.
Hi Stefan,
I really feel that you read the input from us users and I recognize that you want to improve the new score editor.
I’m excited to see what comes out of it. But I sense that it might be going in the wrong direction for me, so I keep talking about the important things for me, sorry.
The new editor is actually not that far from what I need. That is compact and flexible, e.g. sometimes several systems, sometimes just one system in one line, lead sheets for different instruments/musicians out of the MIDI data, but unfortunately a few important functions are missing. I will soon draw a kind of conclusion for myself and post it here. I hope that helps.
I am also convinced from what I read here that my use case is not unusual.
Thank you and best regards.
The new score editor is a massive upgrade in all areas except trills and grace notes, where it is a downgrade. You used to be able to right-click notes and do whatever to them. It would be nice if that comes back. My score looks really terrible in places now, unless I replace the played notes with moused notes (which will not sound right). I don’t want to do that.
I’m really frustrated.
The editor is actually supposed to automatically recognize a lot of things and write them correctly.
But it makes mistakes. I think that’s completely normal.
But you also have to have the option to make corrections.
First of all, I can’t get rid of the accelerando stuff.
Bar 9 F is actually a grace note. I can’t convert it.
In bar 14, a triplet note appears last.
I mean a grace note, of course.
It’s a bit after the last triplet sixteenth note.
If I grab the note in the key editor and shorten or move it somehow, then the triplets in bars 12-14 are shown as grace notes.
I don’t understand what one has to do with the other.
By carefully changing the length of these newly created grace notes, I managed to display them again as normal 16th note triplets.
In bar 22
I then have to use the big quantization tool. First you click in, then a lot changes again, (including the just repaired 16 triplets) then you have to change the tool and then select the event so that you can edit it. But that doesn’t work straight away either. Nothing happens until you try several times.
Then you go back to the things that were actually already fixed.
I’m not expecting any immediate help, but maybe you can give me hope for an update soon?
I’m sure you’re working on a lot of improvements.
And no, Dorico is not an alternative. I have Dorico and would like to be able to do this in Cubase, like before.
You can hide the tempo changes. In the Tempo track, show the Info line, select the tempo events and choose Show in Score > Hide
If you don’t want the grace note detection then you can disable it in Score > Instrument Settings > Interpretation
To apply Display Quantize changes, an easier way is:
(this clip is a bit slower than usual because it’s in a development build)
Grace notes are something that have a lot of limitations in the current release, but I’ve been working on a number of improvements for the next update.
Please could you attach a version of this project (or send me a DM) and I can use for testing.
Wow, I didn’t expect that.
All three tips work great.
Very good.
Of course you have to be able to set Grace Notes in a easy way later, as well as simple enharmonic changes.
But still. Thank you very much. This will help me move forward.
I’m glad that’s helping you move forward. I would still appreciate seeing the project as it’s helpful to have real examples for the grace note detection.
OK, You have got mail.
Can I ask further questions?
For example, I would like to have C sharp instead of D flat in bar 42.
Just trying to click on D flat selects the whole chord.
Sometimes I manage to play the lower A.
If it works with a bit of patience, I click on the cross in the menu out of habit, but that ends in a D# instead of a C#
For information: grace notes should be recognized in the following places:
Bar 9 on 1 the F
Bar 14 the last
Bar 25 again F on 1
Bar 26 F F# before beat 2
Bar 37 on 1 the A flat
Bar 39 on 1 the E
Bar 40 the same
Finally, I have the question of how to separate the long lower notes as a separate voice without using a new system.
Here too, it is difficult to click on the notes. It’s also the case that once notes are selected, you can’t simply re-frame them. You have to click to deselect them and then you can start again.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but since you’re discussing this imminent new release, is portamento / glissando on the immediate roadmap? Not having that articulation is hampering me quite a bit on my current projects.
I’m afraid we have not been able to get portamento / glissando implemented for the very next patch release, however it is now at the top of the priority list for the Cubase 14 patch release that follows.
