I have always added an FX group and put processing on the group so that I can compress all the FX as one group. I currently have 7 stereo groups. I’m trying to add an 8th group and it adds the group but only Audio channels can see the groups, not FX returns, but here’s where it gets weird, it can see the other Groups I made for audio channels. Why does it see all the other 7 groups but ANY NEW GROUPS I ADD ARE INVISIBLE TO THE FX RETURNS?? I am able to add them to the 7th Group channel that was previously created. I know there is a limit of 256 Groups, but this is insane that I can’t add FX returns to a NEW Group suddenly!!! What is the issue here?
Hi,
Are you talking about Group Channels or FX Channels? You can use them mostly the same way, but it would be nice to keep the terminology to know, what you are really doing.
Do you send the signal to the Group/FX via Send or as an Output of the given Tracks/Channels?
Are you talking about Cubase Pro or any other edition?
Why does it see all the other 7 groups but ANY NEW GROUPS I ADD ARE INVISIBLE TO THE FX RETURNS??
Probably because the new groups are being created with all sends included and Cubase is making sure you don’t create a feedback loop.
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I’m trying to GROUP FX RETURNS, by selecting all FX RETURNS and right-click, add Group Track to Selected Tracks. After 7 Instrument Audio Channel groups created this way, the only way I can assign FX to a group is by DUPLICATING the last audio group created that was working, If I simply create a new group it doesn’t show up as selectable from the Output Routing section on an FX return only, but shows up on audio channels. The only workaround is by duplicating a group that was already created and then use that group. But why? If I create a group, even after 7 or 10 I should be able to ROUTE all the FX RETURNS to the CREATED GROUP. I’ve never had a problem with assigning FX RETURNS to a GROUP that was created this way, or a new group, etc. The only thing that works is duplicating the last group that worked.
Can you screencap the mixer channel of the track that doesn’t work with insert and sends panel showing.
As @Grim said: It sounds like you would be creating a feedback loop with your attempted routing and Cubase does not allow that to happen (in order to protect your ears and equipment).
Try to spot the feedback loop and change the routing accordingly.
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I regularly do add a FX RETURNS to a GROUP. I’m just saying it doesn’t work past 7 Groups on this project, unless I duplicate an existing group. I was looking to see if anyone had this issue. There is no feedback loop. It’s currently working perfectly, unless I try to make a new group using Add Group, or Add Group to Selected Tracks on the FX Returns. Never had this problem in 11, 12 or 13, just 14.
In Cubase, a send and return are on the same track:
- How it Works:
- You create a dedicated track for your delay effect (the “send” track).
- You then load the delay plugin on this track.
- From the tracks you want to apply the delay to, you send a portion of the audio signal to this delay track.
- The delay track then processes the signal and sends it back to the original track (the “return” track).
Not quite. The signal is send to the channel that is selected in Output Routing.
Do we need to create more than 7 effect tracks, more than 7 group tracks or more than 7 of both in order to replicate your setup and the issue?
Something I’ve never seen before, a circle with a minus and the Groups are Greyed out. There’s nothing at all assigned to these groups. Can’t assign effects to these groups, but able to assign FX to the AMBIENT (D) which was a duplicated Group.
Cubase v. 14.0.10 build 144 (x64)
We don’t have a screenshot of the Sends section of the mixer, do we?
First thing I would check is if you are running with the preference: VST - Connect Sends Automatically for Each Newly Created Channel
That’s the usual suspect for me.
So, manually clearing out all the send Slots in your newly created Group Track(s) should do the trick and allow you to route the other FX tracks to it.
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That is the symbol that Cubase displays to let you know that a connection to that channel would create a feedback loop.
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My man!!! Thank you so much for sticking with me during this mystery! The settings change worked!
Solution: Turn off the setting (uncheck)
VST - Connect Sends Automatically for Each Newly Created Channel
This fixed my issue and now I can route all my FX RETURNS to a GROUP using all my original methods, i.e. Selecting all FX Returns and right-click, add track - Group Track to Selected Tracks.
Thanks Team!!
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There was no mystery…we’ve been telling you since post no 3 exactly what the problem was!
Well, thanks, but it wasn’t resolved until someone suggested an actual and not obvious fix. Merely telling someone there is a feedback loop is not the fix. Respectfully. 
I didn’t merely tell you that though, I told you what was causing it.
because the new groups are being created with all sends included
Had you responded in any way to this or to the next post requesting a screencap that would have confirmed what the issue was then you certainly would have been given the setting.