Nuendo is a beast I want to love … buuuuuuuuuutt… no real good linear educational tools. Avid and Apple eat Steinberg’s lunch because of this. Pro Tools is no better than any other DAW accept it offers direct accreditation, and learning paths that cover monetisable usage by said users.
I can already hear… you tube. No brother, no…that’s not how ubiquity works. Standardized workflows, getting from a to b with a clear concise VO, (feel free to edit out the Uuuhhh, and Ummms, and lip smacks), and if you are from Scotland after living in Alabama for 10 years, please note. You have an accent that is hard to listen through… you are smart and talented, but I am having to learn and listen through the brogue.
I know I am ranting but, I want to love the beast Nuendo, but it’s killing me. And wasting time while I can just digress to Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper, Presonus, plus the one off usage of Davinci Resolve for one stop post. Step up, I’m begging.
(22 years accredited Avid user in post.)
my opinion: pro tools is big not because of accreditation, but because they have a large user base that has heavily and deeply invested in their hardware, got accustomed to the workflow, now that they can walk into any studio and it will work the same. that is their advantage not educational perks.
I see people doing these accreditation trainings and honestly I don’t feel that it’s worth it.
Yes it looks good on your resume and you get some additional guidance but tools are to be learned while doing the job. It takes more time but you learn because you need things not because they are possible/stated in the manual.
Perhaps I’m different kind of user but I learn about software this way, not sitting in a class with other people.
I do however think that good instructional videos are important, but not going to class.
I would agree but the larger pool of users is due to availability of learning paths, go to any college, university, church, high school, they have partnered and made the effort to grow that pool of users through procedural education across 3 decades. I am here trying to figure which tutorial to watch first… that’s kind of lame, and leaves a Swiss cheese experience. Like I said I want to love it. But even just controlling the cursor behaviors is mystifying sometimes.
No one said sitting in class with others, but if I am getting 50k for a project, I better be ready to insert into a team. 50k lines of dialog in 3d for a game? Also, the company I worked for had the option to pay to learn, in IATSE and MPEG there was training for moving positions in the union, Pro Tools, AES we had Pro Tools out to speak in Los Angeles, at the convention AVID, maybe you are different, but in the schema of earnings and large scale production it has to be a WE.
Im 55 and been working non stop since I got my accreditation, it worked better than my BA at getting opportunities to earn money.
even if you choose not to participate, having good tools too choose from is not an inhibitory, nor an attempt at derogatory statements. I am asking plainly for the corporate entity to try.
pro tools needs no proprietary hardware now.
LinkedIn Learning has a few courses for Cubase which cover the basics.
Check this out on LinkedIn Learning: Cubase Pro 10 Essential Training: The Basics Online Class | LinkedIn Learning, formerly Lynda.com
@Michael_Brigman thanks i understand your point better. i have to admit I know very little about the US post world. i’m not fromn the US, so I did not know about churches running pro tools (wow!). the field in Europe is rather different. There is still a lot of pro tools being used but there are also quite some nuendo studios.
In terms of PT hardware yes it is now finally optional, but a big console like from the early 20s cost tens of thousands of dollars. The hdx cards and chassis where the same. A large investment. As a studio you don’t make that money back in a year… in the meantime you get used to it and grow attached to it’s ecosystem. This is what everyone i know says at least in my field. That makes stepping over to another daw a big step. Smart move avid.
In Europe young upcoming sound designers (in my field) learn to work with reaper/nuendo and they are flexible and work in film /games/vr etc. Protools is optional.
Again i’m not saying we don’t need more instructional videos but setting up an educational branch like avid did decades ago is quite an investment. Not sure if SB wants to do that and if they will be able to monetise on it.
We have started a series that seeks to be short, detailed and quick…
The reason we started it because it’s difficult to find assistants who know Nuendo. Nuendo is almost nonexistent here except private studios like ours who use it extensively.
You can check some of the tutorials here.
Mastering the secrets of ADR | Film Dubbing | Nuendo
How to Dalogue Match and Auto-Align songs using the Audio Alignment tool in Cubase and Nuendo
Quickly set up the Control Room in Cubase and Nuendo for Atmos Mixing
Since I’m curious and thought about this myself in the past - a few questions;
What do you mean by “linear”? Do you mean for example a course where the progress is thought out so that one class (or whatever term is applicable) follows another logically building toward something specific?
And what do you mean by “educational tools”?
So are you looking for a more “officially approved / sanctioned” (by Steinberg) set of lessons?
He might be talking about similar classes like Avid’s certification/ACI courses. They do have a rock solid learning path and even branches their 201/210 courses between post or music depending on what you’re interested in.
Sure. I’m sure there are many ways to learn and certainly an “official” path is welcome. I will say though that I’ve never met an engineer who got a gig because he was certified (or wouldn’t have gotten a job because he wasn’t).
Totally agree. I’m working on getting Avid ACI certified for my current position to get my students certified. But really just so they have a structured program to learn Pro Tools in depth. Might help them open doors or get looked at more seriously, but after that how well they do something is pretty much all that matters.
yes a learning path like a Dolby, Dante, AWS, or Avid corporate certificate. i did it in 2000, it was logical, and by linear it had an even trajectory of learning. in 3-5 courses, adding features, uses, and exercises as it progressed.
now you have. 30 years in post 23 avid certified.
Hello, i transitioned waner bros localization from all analog to hybrid, to in the box and was able to follow through because of this learning path. actually the year i took the courses I was an audio op for a large post production vendor in Los Angeles, we built the hybrid systems that ran both 2inch decks, videos, synchronizer AND pro tool together at one time also 35 and 16 mm film. all at once to supply dubs, edit WHILE we dubbed, etc.
Agree, and this is part of a larger problem—the prior studio system provided a structure by which people started as interns, working with the greats, or at least local professionals with expertise, and learned in a structured way proven to work. These days it is individuals trying to randomly piece together their own learning on YouTube, and finding out things they should have learned first…decades too late.
What I meant was did you as an employer request certification or was a certification ever required for a position you were applying for?
Well, there are courses available to learn the tools and how things are done, and there still are paths available to work your way up in the post houses that are still around.
On the topic of learning. You could also go to film/art school instead of investing your valuable time into 1 (!) commercial product. You could go do an internship and still work your way into the business( not saying that is easy!).
Bonus: You would learn a great deal more about the world (of art) and learn that there are dozens of ways to make a living in sound, whether you use PT/Nuendo/Ableton/Fruity Loops or Reaper.
I think Pt has value nonetheless and that Sb could provide better/more tutorials, however: tools are tools.
Ideas, fascinations and concepts are the core of our sound trade. Unless you only do very specfic technical-only work i don’t see any reason to stick to any DAW.
… I think this thread was started by a seasoned pro who wants to get to grips with a tool as quickly and thoroughly as possible. However, your well-intentioned advice is aimed at a novice who has time to try things out and needs to get their feet wet first.
Ha. I think i could have better used the word ‘one’ instead of ‘you’. I certsinly was not implying that OP is a novice (as my first response in this thread should show.”).
Btw, I thought i was replying to hifi yeah but that didn’t work as intended i guess 