Organteq with Dorico

@JesterMusician , I have updated to the very recently-released Organteq 2 plugin and am hoping you may be willing to update your Organteq playback template or even have already done so. At present, if I add the new instrument to a project and assign each voice to it and then install the Organteq playback template, this automatically reassigns each voice to Organteq 1. However, midi files that work with the first version work equally well with the second and I hope this suggests that not a great deal of reworking needs to be done. My expertise in this area is not up to making a new template myself and any help will be much appreciated!

EDIT: Version 2 includes many new stops and that probably adds to the work of preparing a template. However, even if I had an Organteq 2 template for just those stops that already existed in version 1, that would be very helpful — I prefer the sounds of those stops in their newly reworked form for version 2.

Hey, sorry I haven’t gotten around to updating the expression map yet, but I’ll make a note of doing so when I get the chance!

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Thanks @JesterMusician!

I’ve updated the expression map and playback template to Organteq 2 and Dorico 5.1.

  • Follow the same setup instructions as the post above (note that the MIDI mapping file has changed from changed from Dorico with stops.ptm to Dorico.otm.) EDIT: It seems that only the playback template (.dorico_pt file) needs to be imported — the Organteq MIDI mapping and the expression map will be loaded automatically.
  • You can select any organ preset, but to account for different stop configurations, the playing techniques for stop changes are now labeled generically.
    • The labels follow the stops’ positions in the UI from top to bottom, left to right.
      • A1-A10 are the Swell / Récit. / Schwellwerk stops. (CC 21-30)
      • B1-B20 are the Great / G.O. / Hauptwerk stops. (CC 31-50)
      • C1-C10 are the Choir / Pos. / Rückpositiv stops. (CC 51-60)
      • D1-D10 are the Pedal stops. (CC 61-70)
      • X1-X10 are the couplers (1-6) and monophonic couplers (7-10). (CC 71-80)
    • As before, these techniques should be placed in the pedal staff only, and can be entered with the popover with Shift+P and entering e.g. +d7 or -b18.
    • You can change these labels in Dorico to the selected organ’s stop name if you wish, but I find it easier to simply hide them and add descriptive staff text instead.
  • The playing techniques for changing manuals still use the G. P. R. (French) notation, but you can easily change their text to Gt. / Sw. / Ch. (English), or HW / SW / RP (German), or I / II / III (generic) as desired by simply editing their playing techniques in Dorico.
  • Combination pistons can still be controlled using the circled digit playing techniques ① to ⑩. (CC 3: 1-10)
  • The expression and crescendo pedals can be controlled in Dorico by drawing in the automation lanes for CC 11-14.
  • When changing to a different organ preset, make sure to change the MIDI mapping from One keyboard simple to Dorico.
    • If it doesn’t show up, click Browse… and copy the included OTM file there.

Let me know if you run into issues. Cheers!

Organteq2_Dorico5-1.zip (37.2 KB)

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@JesterMusician huge thanks and best wishes for 2024! I look forward to working with Organteq 2 in Dorico later in the week.

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Thank you for your inviting me to come back if I run into issues @JesterMusician ! I haven’t been able to get Organteq2 working with Dorico 5.1 and wonder:

  1. Organteq2 doesn’t show up in Dorico as a playback template and the name of the template file in your recent zip file is “Organteq.dorico_pt”. I’m wondering if the updated template might have been accidentally omitted from the zip file.
  2. I think the included “Organteq2.doricolib” file is new and I’m unclear whether this should be loaded (using the Dorico Library Manager) into all new projects in which Organteq2 is used. I tried this with a trial project but without success.
  3. When I entered the stops’ positions into the pedal stave using Playing techniques “+A4”, “+A6”, “+B3”, etc. no text reflects the stops selected and no stops are opened when I attempt to play the piece.

Hi and really thank you for your expression map, it has been so useful until here. However, like Mike_999, I encounter some problems when loading the new organteq lecture template (…_pt) in Dorico, as it gives a lot of (+B1), (+B4)… etc, as you can see in my screenshot below. Did I miss something when loading both files (… doricolib and …_pt)?

  1. I tested the files on a new computer and it’s working correctly there. The updated playback template is also called Organteq; I just didn’t add the 2.

  2. The .doricolib file is the expression map, but you can ignore it as it’s included in the playback template.

  3. This suggests to me that you don’t have the tracks routed correctly. After applying the playback template, make sure you enable independent voice playback, then delete the extra Organteq instances, and route each staff to a different channel, with pedals set to channel 3. (For more info, refer to the instructions in this post.)

As for the text, that’s intentional. Organteq is highly configurable in its stops, so rather than defining playing techniques that could become inconsistent, they are named after their position in the console. These playing techniques are designed to be hidden and replaced with suitable staff text. You can refer to this chart to see how they’re laid out.

A1  A2  A3  A4  A5      Swell / Récit / Schwellwerk     A6  A7  A8  A9  A10
B1  B2  B3  B4  B5    Great / Grand Orgue / Hauptwerk   B6  B7  B8  B9  B10
B11 B12 B13 B14 B15                                     B16 B17 B18 B19 B20
C1  C2  C3  C4  C5      Choir / Positif / Rückpositiv   C6  C7  C8  C9  C10

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5)    (combinations)        (banks)    X7  X8  X9  X10  -
(6) (7) (8) (9) (10)  X1 X2 X3 (exp. pedals) X4 X5 X6   -   -   -   -    C

D1  D2  D3  D4  D5              (pedalboard)            D6  D7  D8  D9  D10
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Many thanks! I have been making progress and will refer to the above in attempting to get everything in order. It will be wonderful to get Organteq 2 functional in Dorico.

Hello, I’m using the “trial” version of Organtek 2, and I have imported your Playback template, and also placed the midi-mapping OTM file into Organtek, and I think I’ve routed the voices properly, and I still can’t get the Bach file to play. I also don’t see the keys moving (I can press keys directly in Organtek and I can hear the notes play fine).

What am I doing wrong? I’d love to get this to work, since I tried (and failed) to get Hauptwerk and Dorico to play well together – as an active church musician, this would be so useful!

Thank you in advance.

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Sorry, the Bach demo file is actually incompatible with the version 2 template. I’ll see if I can make a version 2 demo file soon.

Thank you so much for your generous help!
Steve

Here’s a new zip file with an example score, as well as the playback template and Organteq MIDI mapping file needed to play it back.

  • All stop changes are on the pedal staff, though they appear as signposts along the top. In an actual score, one would add descriptive staff text as necessary.
  • Manual changes are on each voice as necessary. Some are shown, but others are hidden (as they are implied by another staff’s or indicated with a bracket).
  • The swell box is changed with manual automation on the pedal staff on controller 11 and indicated with hairpins in the score.

Organteq2_example.zip (1.5 MB)

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I enjoy working with Organteq 2 in Dorico but found the process confusing and cumbersome when I began and recently prepared the attached ‘how-to’ summary to help clarify my personal understanding and hopefully help others. I send a huge thank you to JesterMusician who prepared playback templates for both versions of Organteq and has repeatedly provided generous help to myself and others.

Using Organteq 2 in Dorico

Required first step:
-all that follows presumes you have already downloaded the Dorico playback template and Organteq midimap attached to JesterMusician’s post immediately above this one. This step is necessary even if you previously downloaded the template for the original version of Organteq—although the new playback template will still show in Dorico as simply ‘Organteq’ it has been revised for the later version of the virtual instrument. Also, JesterMusician’s generously included BWV 542 project file not only provides a useful example of Dorico and Organteq 2 working together but can also be helpful in identifying functional differences between it and other early projects in which Dorico and Organteq 2 may be working less effectively together.

A. In Dorico:
-add a 3-stave organ player to your Dorico project. (Opening and closing organ stops always requires the bottom, pedal staff).
-in Playback Templates, select ‘Organteq’ and click Apply.
-after entering at least one note of each voice of your organ notation into Dorico, go to the left zone in Play Mode and activate Independent Voice Playback. This will generate unwanted extra instances of Organteq which can be removed by switching from the ‘Track Inspector’ to the ‘VST and Midi’ rack and deleting the extra instances, leaving just one.
-in the Track Inspector, route each voice of each staff of Organteq to a separate channel of port 1. The VST name and expression map should now show ‘Organteq 2’ for each channel.
-in Write Mode use the Playing Techniques popup (shift P) to identify the manual to which each of the two upper project staves relate. There may be some initial confusion re names that is traceable to Organteq’s shift in focus from only French Romantic era stops in the original version to the inclusion of German Baroque era stops in Organteq 2. For example, for the middle manual enter ‘go’ (short for the French name, Grand Orgue) to display HW (for Hauptwerk, the comparable German name); for the lower manual enter ‘pos’ (short for the French name, Positif) to display RP (for Rückpositiv, the comparable German name); and for the upper manual enter ‘rec’ (short for the French name, Récit) to display SW (for Schwellwerk, the comparable German name). The bottom stave is reserved for the pedalboard and doesn’t need to be expressly identified.

B. In the Organteq 2 plugin:
-open the Organteq 2 plugin window and select the desired organ (for example, Romantic: Church, or Baroque Cathedral I) by clicking the preset button. This will allow you to view the available stops for your project on the Organteq window. Then, click the button to the immediate right and set the Organteq midi mapping to ‘Dorico’.

C. In Dorico:
-we next need to arrange for the opening and closing of organ stops. For our purposes each stop is identified by a letter representing the manual or pedalboard to which it relates (starting with ‘a’ for the topmost manual through ‘d’ for the pedalboard), followed by a number representing its relative position on the Organteq interface starting from the left. Thus, ‘b4’ identifies the fourth stop from the left on the middle manual and ‘d7’ identifies the seventh stop from the left on the pedalboard. The number of stops for each keyboard varies according to the Organteq preset selected but ranges up to 20 for the Hauptwerk or middle manual and up to 10 for the other manuals and pedalboard.
-Playing Techniques to open and close stops are comprised of parentheses enclosing these stop identifications, preceded by a ‘+’ or ‘-’ depending on whether the stop is being opened or closed. Thus, enter (+a4) in the popup to open the fourth stop on the top manual or (-a4) to later close the same stop.
-all Playing Techniques to open or close stops must be entered on the pedalboard staff regardless of the keyboard or pedalboard to which they relate.
-I recommend entering Playing Techniques using the popup activated with shift P, but stops can also be opened and closed via the Playing Techniques tool box under the Keyboard heading. However, the entries there are in somewhat haphazard order and more importantly, result in the stops being displayed above the pedal staff rather than atop the staff of the upper manual (visually preferable) when entries are made using the popup.

D. Additional Playing Techniques:
-the chart below (prepared by JesterMusician) includes additional playing techniques for combinations, banks and expression pedals.

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 Swell / Récit / Schwellwerk A6 A7 A8 A9 A10
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 Great / Grand Orgue / Hauptwerk B6 B7 B8 B9 B10
B11 B12 B13 B14 B15 B16 B17 B18 B19 B20
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 Choir / Positif / Rückpositiv C6 C7 C8 C9 C10

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (combinations) (banks) X7 X8 X9 X10 -
(6) (7) (8) (9) (10) X1 X2 X3 (exp. pedals) X4 X5 X6 - - - - C

D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 (pedalboard) D6 D7 D8 D9 D10

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Quick note.

The lovely example provided by JesterMusician does not open successfully in Dorico 5.1.6. Apparently there is a conflict with Dorico’s new method of examining playing technique combinations.

The playback template and expression maps work great, so they are still usable for your own projects. Many thanks to JesterMusician.