Overlapping voices with double dotted quarter note and sixteenth note triplet

grafik
How can I make the two “d” overlap? There is no option in the notation options for this case and the voice colums index cannot be set. Do I have to move the notes manually?

Rhythmically, I don’t see any reason for those to overlap!
So I guess you will need to cheat so that they rhythmically coincide. Hidden tuplets are the obvious answer

Those d’s are not formally coinciding, so they can’t share a voice column index. You may need to build some nifty hidden tuplets to achieve it. (I’d love to try, but I’m not at my computer). (Ninja’d, hi Marc)

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You could use a 12:8x tuplet, then the first beat another 1:2x (to have the appropriate rest), force duration on the double-dotted quarter and hide the remaining rests (3 16th rests ?)

Thanks, Marc. Romantic piano music is often notated rhythmically incorrectly, as in this example from the same piece
grafik
In this case I have moved the third note of the triplet. Maybe there would have been (for better mathematicians than me) a solution with hidden tuplets.

Thanks! I’ll give it a try.

Chopin’s first Prelude comes to mind…

Hidden (and often nested) tuplets is the general solution in Dorico to solve these rhythmic issues.
Note that if you want to get rid of the 3 16th extra rests in your example, you can put a 7:10x tuplet on the double-dotted quarter. Don’t be scared of the mathematics involved, they’re pretty straight forward.
[Edit] I have modified my initial answer as I didn’t get the mathematics correct in the first place. But that’s because I would need some sleep :wink:

My math teacher always told me not to sleep! And it’s like in school times: the result is often right (by guessing or cheating), but the approach is wrong.
grafik

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