Page template behaviour with differente layouts

Dorico
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Quite often we make books with very different kinds of music, right now I made one with Händel, Stanley, CPE Bach, Chopin, Lefébure-Wély and arrangements of choir music by Elgar (all for carillon). So the scores are very different, and they also look rather different, and therefore they might need different settings for spacing, rastral size, vertical spacing etc etc.
That is not always possible in a project with several flows and one layout (vertical space is per layout for instance), so I made a testcase in which I took 3 rather different pieces, and made a different layout for each piece. (I know for final printing I have to make sure that pagenumbers are in good order, and stitch them together, no problem there).
This can work fine, I found out.
But (here it comes): there is only one Page template (First, Default) per Project, right?
When I edit this project, go to Engrave mode and edit the First or Default page template, I get different templates, when I start to edit from FullScore, or Flow1!
The textframes on the bottom of the page look different, but when I look at the properties, the textframes and musicframe have the same values in mm, but they certainly look different!
What am I missing here?

Test project.dorico (1.4 MB)

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You have the Full score and the Flow Layouts set to different Rastral sizes. Also, the Page Margins and Music Frame Margins are set differently.

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Yes that’s right, that was the goal of this test!
But why does that influence the page templates?

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Your anchors for the frames are locked to all four sides. So, when the page size or page margins are different, the frames will vary in size. For the bottom frames disable the top margin lock and set the frame height explicitly.

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Thanks!
Stupid me, reading the manual should have solved that too I think!
I saw the lock, and simply thought when something is locked it cannot be changed…
Sorry to have bothered you with a so simple thing!

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No problem, glad to help.

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Side note: actually (unless I misunderstand something, having largely just skimmed this thread), one can have one Page Template Set per Layout.

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A project can many page templates, many header templates, and many template sets for both score and parts. Various templates can be assigned to individual pages or a range of pages in a layout. True, one normally uses one set per layout (although they don’t have to be the same for score and parts), bust since one can import templates from one active set to another, that should not limit what one wants to do.

Did I perhaps misunderstand your question?

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@Alexander_Ploetz What I meant was there is only one “First” and one “Default” template per project (both of which can be used to automate the formatting of pages), there can be many custom templates (but you have to assign them manually), and also many sets, but as far as I can see only one of these two per project.
@Derrek Well perhaps you did misunderstand, I might have been not entirely clear in what I meant because I was confused, and that is not the best attitude to explain and/or ask things!
I was wondering why the same page template (First, Default) was behaving differently in the setup I used (different layout for each flow), the explanation from @Craig_F was spot on: I assumed (lesson learned: never assume anything!) that the locking of frames meant that they would remain the same, whatever you do to the rest of the page. Instead the locking of frames is about the opposite: the retain the same distance to the margins! And that is something completely different.
In one of the flows I had changed margins…