Orchestral percussionist that plays quite a bunch of instruments, incl. campane tubolari told me that that particular instrument needs to be moved back in opera orchestral pit due to tight space. Ha asked me if I could produce a part with only that instrument. So that would make 2 parts for one player: on stand no. 1 a part with all instruments he plays and on stand no. 2 only campane tubolari.
Would that be possible in Dorico?
You may be able to duplicate the Layout and then force show/hide staves where necessary.
Or, just duplicate the Player and remove all the unrequired Instruments. Then you can create a separate Layout for this Player. The only downside is that you’ll need to make sure that you copy over any changes you make to the original part. I would do this.
Thanks. I was afraid that this not meant to be done natively and requires some workaround and/or manual tweaking. I will think first and try then. Both of those workarounds have their weaknesses and stronger sides.
Sorry! Players get assigned to Layouts - not Instruments that Players hold.
It’s just the way Dorico works… for now.
I do understand why and I am not complaining. This is one of those borderline cases and will be handled somehow. Not a big issue.
You could easily create two layouts for the Player (each containing all the instruments) in Dorico and label them accordingly. After all, that will tell them when to go to Tubular Bells and back to other Instruments.
This is besides the point. The issue is not bureaucratic but having a part on stand 2 that does not have many page turns. The part with all instruments has quite some.
You can also create a new player that only holds tubular bells (tweak the name with a space before the name if you don’t want numbers to appear), copy all the original tubular bells to that player, do not include the player in the full score and there already is your separate part as you wish. Dorico is really the most effective tool for that kind of thing.
Yes, that was the @DanielMuzMurray 's preferred solution. Somehow I will get it done. The point of starting this thread was to enquire more experienced users if there was a solution without a workaround. There isn’t and it does not pose a major problem also. I still am happy with Dorico.
I would not call this a workaround. Simply a good use of what Dorico is able to deliver!
Hi @composerkaumann, taking inspiration from the above suggestions, I think it is very well doable:
In the Tubular Bells layout (just duplicated percussion layout and renamed), deactivate Instrument Changes, and you can then apply Manual Staff Visibility, to show only the Tubular Bell. And as this is the same instrument, changes will be synchronised on all layouts that visualise it:
Result:
Dorico File:
separate layout for a percussion instrument.dorico (536.6 KB)
@Christian_R - wow! Thanks for teaching me this.
This is not a workaround, this is the working solution that eliminates the weak points.
You are welcome @composerkaumann.
Dorico is amaaaazing, isn’t it?
How about creating a separate part (call it what you will) and then cuing just the bells from the Percussion part and altering the notes from cue size to full size?
Because I am a composer and not an engraver, I prefer the solution that @Christian_R presented. In case of any changes I do not want to do anything extra (except to review the part before sending it out. I always do that anyway).
Fine
Hi @Derrek,
Nice idea with the cues, but I think what @composerkaumann means is that the tubular bell cues will not show the correct notes if you, for example, add some notes in the original Tubular Bell staff in another place that was not cued, or even a couple of notes at the beginning or end of the currently cued passage, because the cue will not automatically expand to show those new notes.
@Derrek, I do apopogise. First of all: thank you for your idea and your time. My answer was probably too short and lacked a necessary explanation. @Christian_R did that for me, thanks for that too but that was actually my task.
I am gateful for @Derrek 's input also because it made me go to online help and re-read about cues- what and how one can show the notation elements.
Because of language barrier I am most afraid that “I am a composer and not engraver” might have left some feeling that I would be as arrogant as to think that composers are somehow more important. That wasn’t the intention.
The issue with using cues is simply the fact that it does not reflect the changes made in the actual music. In case of a cue it poses no disaster but if a cue has wrong notes and it is used as an actual part- that would be an issue.
That all said: I was really surprised that changing a pitch for example does NOT change a pitch in cued material. They are not dynamically linked! I would have expected this from Dorico but probably there is a reason why it doesn’t do that.
EDIT: I was wrong, I looked wrong. Yes, they are linked.
Are you sure? My understanding is that they do. And indeed they do.
Jesper
Before writing I tried this. Changed a pitch in reference part. Didn’t see a pitch change in cued material. Maybe I did something wrong but I make mistakes so often. Please try also