Partial / Interrupted Beams with Glissandi (How to Notate?)

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contra bass

How can I make it?

The print is not very clear, but these might be “fractional beams”.
I don’t know whether Dorico supports them yet or whether there is a method to produce them, may be by some workaround?
The meaning might be “start the glissando right away”, as the cut beam looks like a fractional 16th beam.

[edit] in the mean time I found a better scan:

A possibility I see so far is notating it like this:

It’s possible with a bit of work.

Jesper

bassgliss.dorico (490.3 KB)

Beaming the note with the first rest

and this setting

and color opacity set to 0 on the first rest

Thanks jesele,
thank you very much for your solution!
I tried to replicate:
my rests were in the system, so changing colour/opacity did cover some of the staff lines. What I did instead: selected the rest(s) and did a custom scale to 1%. That did work. I also in Engrave Mode used the glissando lines to guide me adjust the slants of those fractional beams. Later did a Reset Position on the glissando lines:


In playback the glissando starts after beat two, I don’t know, why:
fractional beams.dorico (810.2 Klaus Bundies)

[edit] changing Opacity does work, I used the Colour slider instead erroneously.

Great, yes I also adjusted the slants in Engrave mode.
I ought to be a little easier to do though.

Jesper

Can’t we simply hide the rests rather than acting on their size or colour ?

@soundware, I took the liberty of changing the title of your thread, as it seemed like the really important aspect of your question — the beams — should be highlighted. I hope you don’t mind!

There is no Hide rest option, but Remove rests but that might impact the spacing. Also if you remove the first 16-rest you will break the beam.
The note is beamed to the first rest.

Jesper

Another option is to have two 16-notes and hide the notehead and stem on the second one. That way you can get the beam angles correct without Engrave mode.
Here with removed rests.

Jesper

That‘s a beautiful solution! You need a short trip to Engrave mode to hide notehead and stem, but maybe with making a shorcut for this it is very fast.

Yes, I have shortcuts for those.

Jesper

The best one, in my opinion. Well done. :+1:

Agreed and thanks.

Jesper

You don’t need to hide any notes, or to beam rests, if you don’t want to. You can use “Beam Together” on a single unbeamed (flagged) note, and that will create the sort of partial beam you need for this notation.

But presumably it would have flat beams rather than the built-in angling of @jesele’s technique, correct?

that’s the advantage of the “hide note” method, with very little fuss. And the helper notes can always be excluded form playback, if that is a concern.

Of course the flat partial beams you get from “Beam together” can be altered in Engrave Mode, but this seems to be more work

It would initially, but you can change the “Beam direction” property in the Properties panel, or drag the angle of the beam in Engrave mode.

Of course. I suppose this might be one of those genuine “six of one, half a dozen of the other” instances, though yours is certainly quicker f beam angling isn’t a consideration.

Ah, good to know.

Jesper

With that method