That’s one perfectly valid way of doing things. However, there are others. Personally, I’m a stickler for the high-quality modellings of hugely expensive classical FX modules of yesteryear. So, I don’t use the Channel Strip that much, and wouldn’t mind a few extra inserts.
It would also be helpful if Steinberg would copy a feature from WaveLab. Tabbed Plug-in windows, as this would go a long way in cleaning up the screen realestate.
YES to all of this.
Voted no, because i would like to see a clean implementatikn of inserts. Not a fan of a chainer “workaround”, which i imagine to just make things less streamlined and more click and window heavy.
one benefit that I see of a good VST based plugin chainer would be a cross platform benefit.
But the GUI would also have to be very clean and usable, like a Lance Thackeray (PureAV) design.
You could create chains in any DAW and have them readily usable in any other DAW with the same settings.
A great timesaver.
There are many obvious benefits in Cubase along the same lines.
Yes, track presets can be used, but there are limitations there as well - parallel processing sends come to mind.
Something a self contained well engineered plugin chainer could easily overcome.
Would also be of great benefit for those of us, who, by choice and by necessity, are working on multiple DAWs.
I see it as not so much to break the 8 insert per track limit but to allow for creative freedom, which is the point of software in the first place.
Sure, if it’s implemented poorly… but not necessarily if it’s implemented extremely well, right?
If increasing inserts is just too difficult to code then I’d be happy with a chainer - particularly if you could save the “block” as a preset. I like to de-ess before and after compression that’s two valuable slots straight away.
A typical vocal insert chain for me would be…
1 channel strip
2 de-ess
3 1176
4 la2a
5 eq
6 de-ess
Nothing left for effects or comparison purposes - not good enough. Adding more than a handful of group tracks kills performance on my machine.
Just treat the stacker as you would an external plugin, ie monitor the latency and cater for it automatically via compensation, each stacker instance could therefore run on its own thread - indeed - you could expand the idea and treat each slot within the stacker that way and have a thread per stacker slot. Not particularly difficult to code. Yeah, you wouldn’t want to track like that - but that’s not the problem we’re trying to fix.
Where’s the option to vote for: “Fix what’s already there before adding a new feature because when you add a new feature you do it in a strange roundabout way that needs 3 version updates to work properly like with instrument tracks.”
In order to freeze my channels and get maximum processing power I need more than 8 inserts - I work a lot with high end plugins which help do board emulation, compression, EQ and other things. I always run out of slots. I really don’t want to switch to another DAW - I’ve been on Cubase since 1997 and still loyal to Steinberg. This should be made a priority.
We love Cubase and we need this, this is not a nice to have but a MUST HAVE!!!
They should make it like in Bitwig / Ableton
The only evolved way of doing it
( no Chainer, just ability to add fx without coded limitations )
Chainer would only be needed as part of the limitless fx structure for adding ( Parallel ) Processing with multiple effects/ instruments stacked
Cubase has been conceptually falling 15 years behind on this, and now it is the time to catch up
Otherwise the customerbase who vote for no changes will remain the same, and Ableton, Bitwig and FL studio will keep on inspiring all the newcomers
This means anyone who wants to achieve anything progressive will be avoiding Cubase
So unless Steiny is making well enough profit with their current customerbase, this would be goal number 1
Evolve plugin Chain
As part of evolving that plugin chain >> Include Better Routing and Modulation Options ( within channel or from channel to channel )
There have been many topics where people request these changes - it s about time to catch up
It ( Plugin Chain options / Routing & Modulation-ability ) has to be just as good or better than in Bitwig & Ableton Combined for Cubase to be interesting for other than the current customerbase
“More inserts” doesn’t equal “progressive thinking” where did you get that idea from?
And speak for yourself please, not for the whole userbase.
I vote No.
Because if you can’t get the sound right using 8 insert and 8 send effects, than you don’t know what you’re doing anyway, and more plugins won’t change that. But even is there’s a 0,1% of users out there who really need more than 8 inserts, you can always use group tracks. Problem solved.
Now lets support some feature requests that are actually useful.
We want more inserts not a chainer. Every other DAW has way more if not unlimited Steinberg and thats with no limitation on performance
I have to say this is one feature of cubase that really really bugs me.I was hoping it would be sorted with version 9 but sadly it hasnt.Really its 6 inserts as the last 2 are post fader so rarely get any use.Damn near every review I read on 9 mentioned this as well and how it was odd it still hasnt been updated.Even an option to choose between pre or post on the last 2 slots would help.I like the idea of a chainer,especially for sound designing.
Wow! What are you guys doing to need more than 8 FX in a chain? It’s not so many years ago that the entire mix might have 8 FX applied to it! 
I assume it’s not just tracking and processing, cos if I needed more than 8 FX in a chain, I’d be retracking to eliminate a poor take. “You can’t polish a turd…” and all that…
So what are you guys producing?
Can you not simply chain a channel to 1 or more FX or Group channels in series with Direct Routing to get unlimited inserts? I know this works cos I have tested it. Yes its a bit cumbersome and error prone having more than one fader for each actual track, but it works, and is available right now. I accept that if you really do need more than 8 on a regular basis then the hard coded limitation would be a bit frustrating.
I recently put in a change request to Steinberg to optionally not show the faders in MixConsole 1, 2 and 3. This would be quite beneficial to someone using 8+ inserts on a second/third/fourth monitor by freeing up desktop space to show all your inserts. Those who want lots of inserts might want to put their +1 to the thread I started here:
Regards,
It’s a noob driven feature request, sorry to sound harsh, but that’s just what it is.
3 eq’s 4 camel crushers and 4 comps on 1 channel is just plain idiocrazy.
It’s EDM wannabee noobs whatching tutorials or reading reviews from other EDM wannabee noobs.
Same thing as the gainnstaging craze and putting VU meters and gain staging plugins between each plugin.
If you can’t get there with 6+2 you need a new hobby. It’s not only that is not needed, but it’s also a principle thing not to cater for and give in to this BS. Use a chainer if you have to, or chain group channels. cubase = 6+2, always has, always will.
+1 - This sounds like the quickest/easiest solution SB might consider, in providing a bit more flexibility regarding this whole topic. Myself, I think architecturally it’d be too much to engineer the bolting on of additional Insert slots… though, having said that, I’ve read over in Nuendo land that the devs are considering/pursuing an increase to the number of Cue Sends available; so obviously, not completely beyond the realms of possibility…
I find it odd that this kind of thing is even debated.If cluttering up the mixer is the argument against,just have a ‘show more inserts’ button or make it so you can scroll down.The mixer is completely customisable anyway.Sending tracks through groups is far messier.Maybe an option to make the group channel pre fader,so its like they are inserts,or maybe the ability to freeze groups like in pro tools.This isnt an EDM or noob thing either,as 6 inserts is often fine but its often not either(sound desiging,a/b ing etc etc) and when having to route through groups etc its a monumental pain in the ass.Every other daw has more or unlimited.
“Sound designing” LOL, you can A/B by copying channels, far more efficient.
Putting 8 random plugins on top of the VSTi of the week is NOT sound designing…
Exactly, i wish to be able to save my preset in 1 block, and not in combination of 2 group track preset. If adding more insert is not possible for the moment, i would be really happy with a i**nternal** chainer for easier preset managing purpose.