Praise for Cubase 13

Yes there are issues, bugs, we can, and I have debated them and shared my own frustrations.
But, since forums tend to be negative by design, I wanted to share some praise.
I think the new vocal chain plugin is absolutely fantastic.
Have a great day.


Thank you!

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Late late late night multi-comment.

I’m one of the TOP 100 STEINBERG FANS *-)
And I can prove it - heh-heh

ME: Steinberg until 2006 then made it back to all Steinberg in 2022

AND: for the 1st time since all those years away, I’m finishing mixes!

If I’m not mistaken removal of the fair number of repeating gradients especially, and perhaps using a system font, and bigger lettering not only increases performance measurably, though as well, finds a better balance on 1K, 2K, and 4K screens, and considering all the varying sizes of monitors.

I am SO overjoyed at SO many of the new features and mods in CUBASE 13.
Many i wished for.

Know you’re working tirelessly Armand and everyone at Steinberg.
No need to stop for a minute.

Just had to say BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO.

I’d made many a comment early on, in that long long thread, that goes on about, "…the look’.


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The vocal chain plugin is great! - the vocal compressor is really excellent

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The new key editor functions are a game changer! They have simplified my workday considerably and save me a lot of time.

The new key commands window has inspired me to up my macro and KC game. Addictive, more time and mousing saved!


I think Cubase 13 is great - rock solid for me and the whole platform feels more solid and slick.
Upgrade from C12 was seamless - all projects working perfectly.
I like the new implementation of the windows in Windows (once I hid the menu bar).
And even though the GUI needs some tweaking, the future potential is brilliant.
Hats off to the devs - it can’t be easy managing a beast of an application like Cubase 13!

Well done!

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Yea I’m very much enjoying the new key editor

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Hi @Steve1977,

Well, if you think that the forums tend to be negative by design, then I advise you to check the Dorico’s one. There is no such tendency. Actually it’s the opposite, and this is not by accident. :slight_smile:
When there is a good communication with team and balance between the users needs and developers’ plans everything is fine.
But the Cubase forum is totally different story… the communication with the team is far below the average. The team tend to focus on “improvements” no one here asked for, instead of fixing bugs and adding features that are important and requested years ago… I even remember a Survey about important features in Cubase few years ago. They’ve posted the results from the survey on the forum… when the new version (10, or 10.5 I’m not sure), back then, arrived many changes were made, but just very few of the requested features were added, most of them weren’t at the top 15… in the version afterwards most of the requested features weren’t there, even the most requested.
Sometimes, people like Armand help, mostly in case of problems and bugs.

There are some nice features in Cubase 13, no doubt, but still there is a serious imbalance between the users needs and the team’s plans.
Already 7 years passed since the release of Dorico, many people, including me asked for integration between both apps long ago… still not a single step in that direction… not even something like Studio One ↔ Notion.
Instead of wasting time on unwanted design changes, they had to focus on replacing the Score Editor with the one available in Dorico, to adopt the Expression Maps and Percussion Maps system available in Dorico, because it has a real musical meaning. You are not allowed to create an EM, or PM without an existing articulation, or technique… this is how the music works.
The current EM system in Cubase is a total mess… you can try to import EM sets
from Art Conductor and use them alongside the Score Editor… the result is complete mess of notes and meaningless text objects placed randomly in blue color… :smiley:

So, in conclusion the lack of good communication and the imbalance lead to tension in the forum. :wink:

Best wishes,


He says as he simultaneously turns this, up until now, totally positive thread negative.


Hi @raino,
The OP meant the forums in general. :slight_smile:
I know that he wanted to say something positive, which is good. As I said there are some nice features in Cubase 13. :slight_smile:
Then I gave an example for a forum where the overall environment is positive with complete explanation about the objective reasons why the situation is like that, with examples. Nothing negative, just 10 years of experience in this forum. :slight_smile:
If you spend some time in the Dorico forum, let say 2 - 3 weeks, without visiting the Cubase one, and then come back here… well you’ll immediately notice the something doesn’t work as it should.
After all the environment here is controlled by the Cubase team and their way of collaboration with the users. :slight_smile:


I can’t speak for Steinberg, but I’m certain Steinberg is working on this behind the scenes. It’s coming eventually. It’s just taking a long time. It would be nice if they were more open about their plans, but as we all know, Steinberg doesn’t usually telegraph their long-term strategic plans. But it’s plain to see all the chess pieces are there on the board. Extrapolating from various comments over the years, it’s clear it’s a very complex process involving legacy code, different frameworks, dependencies, and various architectural considerations due to how each application deals with time, MIDI, the audio engine, etc. My hope/guess is that by Cubase 14 or 15 we’ll get something very cool that will put Cubase on a long-term path for providing the defacto best built-in score editor on the market. Check back in a few years though.

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Hi @uarte .
Well, I’m sure that they are working on making both apps closer, but still after such long period of time since the release of Dorico… Cubase changed nothing that is crucial for the integration process. For example the Expression Maps system.
Still impossible to use the Dorico sets in Cubase, no Playback Templates…

I can’t imagine what would happen if the STG company behind AVID start to offer crossgrade from Cubase/Nuendo to Pro Tools… :wink:


It’s all related. It’s coming. Just don’t know when, and believe me, I totally understand your frustration. But I think we’ll get some real clarity by C14/C15. And yes, by then, who knows what the competition will be doing. But I wouldn’t be worried too much about STG. The one Steinberg should be paying close attention to (which they are) on this issue would actually be right down the road in Hamburg at Presonus IMO. In any case, Steinberg is very much aware of what’s happening in the market. In my understanding of the situation, they are making a long-term calculated move, and that’s one of the reasons that they brought the Dorico team on board. Personally, I think it will pay off. But we’ll see in a few years. The one thing I’ve learned recently about Steinberg is that they are indeed playing the long game. It’s a different strategy than some other developers, and so far they’ve stayed in business, so it’s been working so far. Time will tell!

So the topic’s hijacked? No more Praise for Cubase 13?


Hi @steve,
If there are a real design improvements that make Cubase 13 usable, painless for the eyes and pleasant, there will be more praises. :slight_smile:
For now personally I’m one of those who has a serious issues with the GUI design. It tires my eyes pretty fast and I just can’t fully explore it. I’ve tried to follow some instructions to change the color scheme in order to make the things a bit easier for long-term work, but didn’t worked well.
Cubase 12 looks fine and doesn’t tire my eyes in a long-term work, so I would stick to it. :slight_smile:
Actually the perfect GUI design for a DAW, at least to me, is the one that makes you feel in a studio surrounded by analogue equipment. UAD - Luna, Bandlab - Cakewalk and Harrison - Mixbus are really there, especially Luna.
I never liked Ableton Live as a DAW, but I must admit that the readability in Live 12 compared to Cubase 13 is far more superior.

In general there are many nice improvements and new features in Cubase 13 that I would like to take advantage of, but the current GUI design makes it impossible. This is it…

Best wishes :slight_smile:

I don’t think it’s hijacked, it’s a relevant side issue IMO.

Here, I’ll give some praise to Cubase 13:

  • Love the workflow improvements (workflow is king for me, thank you Steinberg)

  • Love the track versions for video

  • Love the replace audio in video

  • Love the improvements to the sample track (spectral warp modes and envelope options, yay!)

  • Like the new interface elements overall (although they need some improvements asap as has been mentioned in other threads…)

  • Like the channel tab, seems overdue, but okay, glad it’s here.

  • Like that Iconica Sketch is included. Sounds pretty darn good for a bundled library.

  • Like that the vocoder is back

  • Potentially like the chord pad improvements… I don’t use tools like that, but I might play around with the new chord pad features.

  • Don’t need or want the other new plugins, BUT I like that vocal chain is there in case I don’t have my favorite plugins installed on my laptop, might come in handy

  • Missing some important things that I really wanted, especially ripple editing. That was a disappointment. Real clip gain/envelopes + Dorico features (aka upgrades to the score editor) + expression map overhaul are also greatly desired, but I anticipate C14/C15 to cover those.

Overall, upgrade price of $99 was reasonable, and considering the net positives, definitely worth the money.


Oh, forgot to mention, glad to see mono/stereo channel toggle. Thank goodness, about time.

Also forgot to mention I really like the improved audio routing… will finally open up workflows I’ve been wanting to do in Cubase.

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I actually agree with the UI changes not being great- personally I thought Cubase 12 was the best looking DAW out there. Now with the UI changes, Cubase is looking a bit too much like Ableton’s style, which I don’t really care for. Perhaps in the future instead of completely removing previous UI’s, allowing users to select a previous UI version?

That being said, it’s still the only DAW that I know of that lets you customize so much of the colors so you can tune it to your liking. Nothing like white/gray on a black background, so pleasing to the eyes :smile:

With that out of the way, for some praise: I’ve been using Cubase since version 5 and after every update I purchase I tell myself “I don’t think I need to keep paying for upgrades - this is fine as is”. Yet every time Steinberg always gets me to pull out my wallet :sweat_smile:

I loved the previous updates addition of Squasher, FX Modulator and Raiser, man were those great plugins-- and who can forget finally getting rid of the dongle? Then with Cubase 13, the side channel was long needed feature. No longer do I have to open the channel settings window, taking up screen real-estate. All of the preference and keybind updates are great too~ I don’t recall if it was in a previous version (I don’t think it was in 12), but being able to colorize the transport cursor is honestly one of my favorite additions :laughing:

Hopefully they will also push out updates in the near future addressing some of the feature requests of members on this forum.


One improvement you can render all your Vienna 7 Tracks at the same time with out it crashing.

Update. Spoke to soon. It actually is still crashing rendering multiple Vienna Pro instruments.

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On the plus side:
It’s nice that the “replace audio in video” function is back.
I like the bolder track list in the project window.
The 2 new EQs are useful.
It’s good that Cubase now quits in a flash.

Stop reading here if you want just the positive!

On the downside:
Graphics issues - should never have been released with such issues.
Can no longer change a track colour from the inspector.
Can no longer long press the “E” edit button to open the instrument.
Can no longer select a group in the channel settings dialogue to edit it.

There maybe other “improvements” I am yet to discover.

I’ve actually gone back to C11 - I’ve had enough of all these “improvements”. That rot set in in C10, when they started jiggling around with the menus and the F2 floating toolbar.