I am a recent convert from Finale to Dorico - and quite happy with the way Dorico works. I have imported many large projects from Finale via MusicXML. Other than fixing some fonts and repairing percussion parts, this has been a smooth process - until this morning.
Today I tried importing a small jazz sextet project into Dorico. The project appeared to convert correctly - until about halfway into the music. From that point, most notes were completely lost, resulting in mostly blank measures.
I immediately went back to Finale and tried exporting again - both as raw and compressed MusicXML - but the results were the same.
I asked my son (also a composer/arranger) to try importing the same XML file into Sibelius - and it worked perfectly. Hence, I believe this is an issue in Dorico and not Finale.
I have attached PDFs of the same XML import for both Dorico and Sibelius.
I tried to attach the XML file, but the Forum does not seem to allow this. I will be happy to send it to anyone who might be able to help if you let me know how.
Les
[Girl Talk-Full score - Dorico.pdf|attachment]
(upload://jQNYTj4be8CPpLGntGLPsBstUv3.pdf) (89.9 KB)
Girl Talk - Full Score - Sibelius.pdf (111.4 KB)
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Hi.
See the exact point in Dorico where the notes stop.
Find the spot in FinaLe file.
Check tuplets in Finale. This happens usually with wrongly defined tuplet. Fix in Finale, re export - import.
Have had the same… Explained here too in multiple threads. Hopefully this helps!
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It seems the upload of the Dorico score is broken.
Thank you composerkaumann! The problem was, indeed, the Finale triplet just before the import error. It was a compound triplet (mixture of 8th and 16th triplets) and was incorrectly entered in Finale.
It is still interesting that Sibelius was more forgiving of this error than Dorico. Sibelius left one note out of the triplet and converted the rest of the file correctly. Though I would rather have Dorico behave in this way, the error was actually in Finale.
I DO try searching the Forum for these things, but it is often difficult figuring out what term to search for!
In any case, the Forum has proven itself essential once again.
Thanks!
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Finale is also more forgiving than Dorico with MusXML imports because each beat and measure is like a firewall that stops the errors from cascading into what follows and bringing the import to a halt.
Dorico does have “stop positions” that accomplish the same thing. If stop positions could somehow be applied to MusXML imports? But how?
I have had many problems bringing xml converted files from Finale into Dorico. I’ve found Finale handles importing of xml files after converting them FROM Finale but then back into Finale almost perfectly. My Rubicon is expecting text (not lyrics) from the original Finale file to be placed where they were in Finale. I hope Steinberg created a better means in Dorico to do this that doesn’t totally convolute the text and moving staves and bars all over the place. I’ve decided to continue using Finale for scores and parts already created in Finale. The time and effort required doesn’t make any sense otherwise. It seems the latest Finale works great so why re-invent the wheel? New scores and lead sheets I’ll try Dorico.
If anybody has a solution to being able to put a second language onto a single stave and by having “additional” notes because the second language needs more or less notes attached to the original stave notes, please help me with this if you can. How can I use for instance additional grace notes for the second language lyric but the second language lyric would have to follow the same single stave notes PLUS as well add the grace notes to follow with second language lyrics BUT only be recognized to follow ALL the note entries as lyrics on the second line having the second language lyric. This way I don’t have to create a second staff on a lead sheet for a different lyric. Thanks Warren
I’m not sure what you mean by “stop positions”
That language thing… I’ve had to deal with it sometimes.
Use another voice. Now that Dorico handles perfectly hidden noteheads as well as hidden stems (Engrave mode >properties panel), you can write foxn the whole lyrics part, hide redundant notes and input your second language as a second verse or (if you need the verses for the first language) as a translation. Your new lyrics will follow the new voice (probably downstem vouce 1) without any problems with hyphens or continuation lines (which are bound to be a problem if you only add the new notes needed, as lyrics attached to different voices are not hyphenable, probably a word I just made up)
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@Warren_Goldstein
Google “stop positions in Dorico” and a number of explanations will come up. I have found that googling is the best way to get quick answers about Dorico. The manual is the best way for me to get more detailed and up-to-date information.
But I don’t know if stop positions can really help with MusXML imports. Someone more knowledgeable than me is needed for that.
Marc, thanks. I try to avoid using a second voice as an additional staff for a second language. In finale the easiest way to accomplish this was to use “text” inserted under the English lyric however having to export the file from Finale to xml works upon opening the as an xml in Finale but not opening the xml in Dorico. I was hoping I could “simply” amend the Finale file first by using added grace notes which I assume do NOT get linked to lyrics in Finale. I would create a second lyric verse for the second language translation but could on this second or alternate pass have the second lyric attach as well to the first note line AND as well to the grace notes which the first lyric line would not be attached. I’m doing some squirrelly thinking through this. If someone has an alternative means, please let me know. Thanks again Warren