Project folder on Internal SSD or External SSD?

So I remember back in the day it used to be recommended to use an external drive (or any hard drive other than the boot drive) for samples and the Cubase project folder for better performance.

Now that all these SSDs are so fast, and especially with Apple’s new M1 processor and super fast SSDs, is it better to use the internal SSD for the Cubase project folder? Feel like it doesn’t make sense to use an external drive anymore, except for samples of course that take up a lot of storage.

What are your thoughts?

With internal drives now getting larger and SSD becoming more common as standard spec I use the internal drive for all projects, samples, loops etc for ease of access. I also have a copy of them on an external SSD a) for back-up b) so I can use them with an external laptop with less internal storage. I think with samples it’s the memory and processor that are more important as they can be resource hungry.

Yeah I am gonna give the internal SSD a try when I get my new Mac Studio. It should be miles faster than using an external SSD via Thunderbolt. Just wanted to double check on here to hear people’s thoughts. Cheers.

Hi,

I am now in the same position you are with a new Mac Studio. How did your internal ssd experiment go for samples and Cubase projects folder?

Thanks

I actually never got around to using the internal SSD for samples. Still using my external SSD.

Appreciate the response!

What external drive do you use?

This bad boy: https://www.macfixit.com.au/products/4-0tb-owc-envoy-pro-fx-thunderbolt-3-usb-c-portable-nvme-ssd-1?variant=40348915597395

Thanks.

Why is something like that so much more expensive than this Samsung or Lacie with similar specs? The Lacie is only 2TB, so it may be closer in price if it was 4, but still.

Is there a metric or feature to it that I’m missing? Just more rugged or better quality components?

The Samsung reads " read/write speeds of up to 1,050/1,000 MB/s" and it’s USB only. The other drives are Thunderbolt which has a higher bandwidth capacity and the LaCie would likely be the same price if it was the same capacity.

Incidentally, it’s possible to buy external enclosures for NVME drives and just put it together yourself. I did it with a USB C connected drive (USB, not TB) but I think TB is possible. Good way to ‘save’ an old drive you don’t need any more.

‘Incidentally, it’s possible to buy external enclosures for NVME drives and just put it together yourself’

This was my original plan and the rabbit whole I’ve been going down. But along the way many were saying it’s a bit hit or miss. Seems like folks have issues with overheating. I just want to get rolling, but this tech flips so quickly that it’s easy to waste money if you don’t do due diligence.

Really wish I had gone with a 2TB internal on the new mac.

I still use an external SSD for all of my samples and sample libraries. I use my internal SSD for my project folder. Works great.

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For Macs, a good Samsung external SSD is plenty fast for all but the most extreme projects. Just do the math on the bandwidth needed, and you’ll see you’ve got plenty of headroom, and then some. Apps go on the internal drive, all content on externals. No issues whatsoever. I do tend to split project files from sample libraries onto separate external drives and render to the internal drive, but technically even one good Samsung drive would still handle most of my projects just fine, including scoring and post work.

But if all that’s not enough, then TB will do the trick. If TB won’t do the trick, then you’ve got some insane otherworldly projects, and you’re probably using a distributed network solution at that point (like VE Pro, AudioGridder (which is awesome BTW), and so forth).

For Windows and Linux, I use internal since I have so many ports and places to mount drives in, etc… CPU is far and away the limiting factor.

Looking to get an external ssd drive to store projects in Cubase Elements 10 . Anyone have any good spec recommendations ? Appreciate any advice on this .

What is your use-case?

Are you going to work directly from the drive?
Will you use it on multiple computers?
What connector do you have on the computer(s) - USB 2, 3, TB?
What capacity do you need?

As far as i can tell it’s just Generic USB in a Dell desktop . Looking to free up some disc space .
I bought a new computer with exceeding spec’s for Cubase . For some reason I’ve yet to figure out . I get audio dropouts when cpu performance meter goes red . Actually happens when “nothing” is in Project window as well . However , my old computer does not have this problem , unless i load VST instruments into it , otherwise it works fine . Makes no sense why this happens on the new computer . I’ve done multiple remote sessions with Steinberg , you may have been involved at some point . No one has ever given a suggestion that has eliminated this problem , but I’m also no computer whiz by any stretch . I’ve even offered to let Steinberg take control of my computer and do “anything” they can to sort this out , but hasn’t happened . Have just about given up . Even tried the Pro Tools free trial , same problem there also , and prefer Cubase anyway .
Just boils down to making it work on the lesser computer , don’t have another option right now . Just want to access a file from an external SSD , work on it then put it back , if that’s possible ? Never tried it before , and don’t want to waste money or time if it’s not a viable option . Thanks , sorry for the lengthy msg .

Is the socket white (USB 2) or blue (USB 3)?
TL;DR
Find out how much space your current projects take up and multiply by at least 4. And get a drive by a manufacturer with a good reputation.


In my experience, it’s not loading the project file that takes time, it’s the contents - the channels, tracks, plugins and God knows what else is in the file, that takes the time.
I avoid “external” drives and use a caddy for a regular “internal” HD drives. I also tend to stick to Western Digital Black or Toshiba. I currently have 2, for a total of 15 TB of space. I use them for backups. My projects currently use up 300 GB of space.
Make of this what you will. YMMV.