I am attaching the first 2 bars of a transcription. Instrumentation is classical guitar and violin. Several questions.
In the Full Score Dorico has transposed the guitar part up one octave as is standard for guitar. However, the Dorico documentation states that full score layouts are in concert pitch, which might be helpful as I input notes. How do I force Dorico to allow me to see the guitar part in concert pitch (i.e. an octave lower than it looks now) in the Full Score layout? Does Dorico now put transposed parts on the Full Score instead of concert pitch?
I would like to beam the guitar 8th notes in groups of 2 (2 on each beat), although the ties are across the beat. Originally Dorico created beams of 4 or maybe 8 eighth notes. When I clicked “split beams” Dorico removed all beams instead of just beams between beats. How do I create groups of 2 beamed eighth notes for each beat?
The guitar that was splaying on the recording I transcribed actually did have a low “D” available apparently. Dorico has colored this out-of-range note in red. But I wish Dorico to simply treat it as a standard available note, not in red. How do I return the note to its normal color?
Sincer thanks for any help.
Edit:
I just noticed that you have forced the duration of some notes and if you reset them you will need to change a setting, namely:
Notation options>Note grouping>Syncopation, should be set to “Split at beam boundaries”
Rafael! Thank you!
This was an incredible reply. Thank-you! I would love to know a bit more about these solutions.
Why do I need to re-write the time signature to re-beam? And why did Dorico correctly beam at 2 8th notes per beat after the time signature adjustment?
The guitar transposition page is still confusing
If I do what you did on the Full Score layout, a written middle C(c4??) will sound like middle C on the piano (C4???) which is exactly what I asked for in the Full( concert )score. Unfortunately that modification automatically carries over to the guitar layout which I do not want. I want the guitar layout to look normal to a guitarist, meaning Middle C (c4?) sounds at C3.So the Guitarist needs to see the notes on their part exactly as Dorico originally intended (Written an octave higher than they sound).
I cannot seem to make the guitar layout different from the full score layout, which, according to the documentation, was supposed to be automatic?
Oops…
Never mind, I was not looking at the guitar layout, which needs the dropdown. Your guitar solution was awesome. Still don’t know why the Full score defaulted to the Guitar transposition. ???
New Problem. Dorico is still transposing midi input in the full score, not leaving it at concert pitch. Please see attached, where the orange “b” is written an 8ve above where I played it in!!!
I am going to re-state my problem. In this piece for Guitar and piano Dorico is transposing the guitar part in both the full score layout AND on the guitar part. In 'layout Options" the Guitar layout has a checkmark on “transposing layout”, and the Full score has no checkmark (unchecked) for “Transposing layout” but BOOTH guitar parts look identical. If I follow Rafael’s idea and get the Full Score to appear down one 8ve, new midi input notes still appear up one 8ve when I play them in. Dorico claims the full score is NOT transposed but, in fact, it IS transposed. My goal is that the Guitar part on he Full Score be viewed at concert pitch and that the guitar part appear properly transposed to the player. Any help appreciated. Remanso Transcription.dorico (729.7 KB)
“Transposed score” applies to transposing instruments in different keys, but not to instruments that are notated in C but in a different octave, such as guitar, piccolo, contrabass, tenor singers, etc.
If you really need to see it in the sounding octave rather than standard guitar notation, I would just put in a temporary clef (bass, probably) and change its octave in properties. But I think it’s much easier to read the standard way!
Can you possibly list, step by step, how to do what you just said? Also, I double-checked, and the Dorico documentation says that Full Score defaults to concert pitch. That is not the case with the player called “classical guitar”. Indeed, the Full score layout says “Un transposed” and the guitar layout says “transposed” and they are identical. Also, when i successfully change the look on “transposition and clef overrides”,the guitar part in Full Score does appear at concert pitch, but new midi input is NOT transposed the way the layout is. In other words new midi input is still written up an 8ve from concert pitch.
Again – “Untransposed” in Dorico means in the sounding key, but not the sounding octave for the instruments I listed above.
Steps:
• Select the first beat of the piece and type Shift-C for the clef popover
• Type f or bass and Return
• With the new clef selected, open the Properties Panel, turn on the Octave shift property, and change the 0 to 1. When you do this, notice the notes jump down an octave.
When you have all the music in, delete that weird bass clef from the score!
I still recommend you drop this and get used to reading normal guitar notation. Any way of showing it loco in bass or treble clef is too many leger lines.
Ok. I don’t want bass clef but I appreciate your input. I now have the clef overrides set so “Written Middle C” sounds as C3 in a transposed part and C4 in Concert pitch. But things are still weird. If I use the mouse to enter a note in the (untransposed) score, and set Write>>>“Input Pitch” to sounding pitch, Dorico writes and plays the guitar part (full score) at concert pitch. But when I use my midi keyboard, Dorico is transposing the input pitch up an 8ve. Only on the guitar part, not on the violin part.
You will be able to give more attention to your music if you simple accept how Dorcio (and Finale for that matter) handles instruments that transpose at the octave. It isn’t worth the effort fighting the program on this. Yes, the notes types on a MIDI keyboard will appear an octave off since one is typing the desired pitch but seeing the transposed pitch.
Totally reasonable and I agree I am however confused that the Full score (un transposed) layout AND the guitar (transposed) layout look the same. And also “input pitch” vs “sounding pitch” on midi also does nothing.
Totally reasonable and I agree 
I am however confused that the Full score (un transposed) layout AND the guitar (transposed) layout look the same. And also “input pitch” vs “sounding pitch” on midi also does nothing.