Hi everybody,
I am trying to remove all barlines only for the piano part in this score, and only for 3 measures. I also need to work with free meter notation only in the piano part and only in these 3 measures. I’ve tried using “shift+m”, then “x”, then “alt+enter”, and that’s helped somewhat, but I’m still left with the barline between measure 22 and 23. Can I remove that somehow?
I rebuilt your example, but I can easily delete the second X:
I was able to make this work by entering staff-specific (opt/alt + enter) time signatures of 3/4,10, which creates 10-quarter-note “pickup measures” in the piano staves. Then I went back and opt/alt-entered the open time sigs:
2024 10.29 Clearandconnect Time Sigs.dorico (484.0 KB)
Can you tell me how you did that?
Oh thank you! I will give that a try!
The question remains: how did this come about?
I tried clicking the rest in the top piano staff, then pressing shift+m, then 3/4,10 – then alt+enter. But I still get the same result, with the barline between 22 and 23 remaining. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong! Sorry, I am a relative beginner with Dorico.
Maybe just select the barline or timesignature and delete it?
How do you do that?
Select them and press backspace.
I just tried this. If the two oboe-staff time sigs (4/4) are opt/alt-entered, then selecting and backspace-deleting the 4/4 in the piano grandstaff eliminates the brain and merges it with the (already-created!) open time sig measure before it.
That doesn’t do anything on my end. Neither delete or backspace.
Hey there. I’m so sorry. I still don’t understand what you mean. I didn’t originally enter the oboe time signatures with alt. I just did it with shift+m. Was that wrong? Eliminates the brain. Whew — I have no idea what that means.
For me, if I entered the oboe time sigs as (“global”) shift + M 4/4, then when I tried to delete them (per @klafkid) in the piano, they also disappeared in the oboes.
EDIT: The flow accomplished in @meixner’s post #2 can’t be (AFAIK) accomplished without making the oboe time sigs (and both staves’ rest can be selected) independent (i.e. opt/alt-entered).
P.S. — I’ve since realized this can be accomplished without my earlier "10-quarter-“pickup” technique. Sorry to have introduced a “rabbit hole” there.
I input all meter changes here as local ones - out of habit in such situations. In fact I had to build the second X-bar into it artificially to get the situation.
EDIT: you can see in my example, that even the right two piano X-bars are independent.
Yes! I think it was my instructions about making the oboe time sigs independent that confused @MichaelGolz.
So if the score is already set up with time signatures as global, and there are already notes in some of these staves, can I now switch certain time sigs to local?
I think you’ll need to break the ties (U) across the barline from m. 22, then select the B (oboe 1) and D (oboe 2) on the downbeat to create the independent 4/4. Then you can tie them (T) back together.
I’m sorry. I can’t really get any of this still to work. I’ve set up independent meters for all bars involved. I still get the same thing. The bar 21-22 barline and meter go away, but the bar 22-23 bar and meter remain. I guess I just don’t understand what steps of which items in this thread to follow.
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Would it help if I uploaded my whole file?
