Replacement for Embracer? (No, not Padshop)

Hi All

I and others have previously complained about Steinberg’s failure to support its own Native plugs (Embracer, Q, DoubleDelay etc etc) within Cubase 9. (I presume they have continued to completely ignore this problem.)

While I am doing my best to work round this, I am really struggling with the loss of Embracer, in particular its ‘Classic Strings’ preset which was perfect for unassuming, static background pads. Padshop is the complete opposite - noticeable, showy, evolving pads that do not sit quietly in the background.

Is there any way within the native Cubase package to recreate the classic string sound from Embracer? Or failing that, is there a 3rd-party plugin I could investigate?

Of course, Steinberg could just offer support for its legacy plugins, but I realise that is way too much too ask.

Best regards
Godfrey
Cubase 9, Windows 10

As you presumably are aware, they no longer work because Cubase 9 is 64 bit only and these are 32 bit.

Some were not actually developed by Steinberg in the first place so can’t just be rebuilt in a 64 bit version. I suspect others that were built in house were built by folk long since departed (been there) so again an update is far from straight forward. Ultimately not enough folk want them or there would be a solution forthcoming.

Anyway, as an alternative I’d suggest Retrologue or even Prologue rather than Padshop but you won’t find direct sound replacements.

Have you tried to bridge Embracer using 3rd party software such as jBridge? Alternatively you can still run Embracer in 9 (just checked and it does work) using the tip suggested in the link below:

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=250&t=110330&start=25#p607568

As the Steinberg rep says , this works at the moment but may not in future and is un-supported. If you’re going to use it copy the Components folder as suggested. I’d only use the bastardised version when I needed the 32 bit plugin. (I’ve not needed it so far but like to know it works).

Personally, my approach would be use the hack above to load Embracer into Cubase 9 to make it much easier to build replacements for the Embracer sounds by having both it and its replacement available at the same time. Then I’d turn the hack off and use the newly built presets.

I haven’t been able to get this to work and REALLY want to. Wondering if the components needs to be from a paticular version of C8?

Has anyone ele had success with loading Embracer / Tonic / Monologue? I’d appreciate the help

:wink:

I used the relevant files from 8.5 rather than 8.

Did you delete the blacklist file too?

Alternatively, have you tried jBridge?

Yes, I used v C8.5.3.192

I tried deleting that once, didn’t seem to change too much

Even jBridge surprising hasn’t got Embracer to work, I’d love so much this VST to just load.

Cubase sees ithe VSTS but adds it to blacklist and when I try to unblacklist it says fialed contact manufacturer.

Thanks

The Embracer strings are literally just a regular string section multisample. There’s nothing special going on behind the scenes.

There are over 20 string section presets in Halion Sonic SE that could be used in its place.

Maybe I misudnerstood, but wasn’t Embracer was a synthesized sound as a opposed to a sampled one?

Steiny

Embracer is an easy-to-use polyphonic synthesizer developed especially for generating string pads and other accompaniment sounds. A special feature is the instrument’s additional Surround output. The dynamically adjustable Width parameter lets you create very impressive 360° Surround sounds.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/cubase-sx-embracer-tonic-monologue-plug-ins

Embracer is a pad-oriented ROMpler. The only synthesized parts are the filters (used by the tone control) and the Attack/Release envelope, which is super basic sample player stuff.

If you play the Classic Strings preset chromatically for example, you can very clearly hear the separate samples mapped across the keyboard. If these sounds were synthesized the transition would be perfectly smooth.

The width control is just a stereo expander. The one included with Cubase is better and more flexible.

The included samples are absolutely nothing special either, and you can easily achieve similar sounds by making very minor tweaks to the presets included with Halion Sonic SE, Padshop and Retrologue.

I spent a lot of time just downloading new free stuff, for both vst and kontakt… (plus some reaktor)… Lots of nice stuff out there. :slight_smile:

Hi all

I’m with Godfrey on this one, I found Embracer sooooo useful and easy to use, I’m sure as has been suggested there are alternatives but those require fiddling whereas Embracer just worked. I did sample Embracer “Classic Strings” and made a Kontact instrument but it didn’t seem to work as well (if anyone wants to try it, PM me and I’ll send it, maybe someone could improve on it).

Best Regards

Dave

+1
… yep, Embracer had “the sound” some sort of built in sonic magic, and it did the strings rather well

I can confirm that jBridge would not ‘bridge’ Embracer in C9. bummer. I liked Embracer too.