I’m sure that this has been put up for discussion already but can anyone give me an update as to why Nuendo does not have ripple edit. I have just been conforming a film I did last year due to picture changes and the nightmare of dealing with Nuendo as I move things around is something I could do without when using a professional program.
I read about work arounds but that’s not really how I want to work. Is there a fundamental problem with the way that Nuendo has been built that doesn’t allow this to be implemented or do people simply not need it? I have come across this before with programs such as Vegas Pro which cannot implement side chaining because of the way it was programmed (that’s what I was told) .
Whatever the reason it seems an unacceptable omission in what is a great program. I would appreciate it if anyone can give me some insight. Thanks.
This is why we need it. … and have done for decades!!! There’s no room in my flow for that nonsense…
I regularly use a video editor to edit podcasts, readings etc because they make rippling so easy. It just happens… eg Final Cut Pro … and since it implements all of Logic Pro’s plug ins it ends up being a fine Nuendo replacement. Of course I’d prefer to stay in Nuendo since the FCP workflow does introduce some issues because it expects a video track!
Honestly doesn’t feel like I’ll see it in my lifetime … inconceivable!
I am not a heavy mouse user and so dont miss it but understand your desire to have it,
WaveLab in my opinion has the best ripple edit among all the DAWs I have used, I posted a short video in an older post, also it is optimised for podcast and is currently available at a stellar discounts.
It is definitely a huge missing feature! Nuendo is definitely invaluable for a lot post projects I handle. But, on a project last year, I decided to stay on Nuendo to edit a 50hr+ recording. I created a bunch of macros to function like ripple-editing and assigned it to my mouse. While the process went okay, it was a pain whenever I miss-click or don’t have the cursor at the right spot. Sometimes I want to move only events on 1 track vs all tracks etc. Lots of undo and redo.
This year, for a podcast series, I just switched to Reaper. The ripple-edit feature is so smooth on Reaper. I even tried Da Vinci Resolve for an episode and Reaper was just much much faster. The amount of time I save on edits without needing to use multiple shortcuts/macros is absolutely worth it. Reaper with razor editing + ripple editing is just a superior workflow.
It’s incredible how other programs at a fraction of the cost of Nuendo handle ripple editing. Even my 6 year old copy of Vegas Pro does it faultlessly enabling choices of what the ripple editing will include. We need someone from Steinberg to say what the hell is going on. Meanwhile after a picture change I am having to go through every key frame as Nuendo screwed all that up when I moved things despite working with automation follows . There’s something going on that we are not being told eg because of the way Nuendo is built it isn’t possible to implement ripple editing. I don;t like being kept in the dark.
Why can they not then implement this into Nuendo? I can imagine it is going to be tricky but boy is this a massive omission of functionality that we really need.
That’s bad and surprised too, as I never faced any such issue.
I have no Idea, cubase and nuendo uses a unified architecture and any fundamental change understandably Ripple edit with automation follows edit etc can be a media management nightmare. Try imagining SB trying to integrate WaveLab within Nuendo…
It would be easier to rewrite everything from scratch…think of 4 to 5 years of development cycle.
Yeah I have a feeling so too. In order to have ripple edit, or to have a “chunks” feature like Digital Performer, would require rewriting the code from the ground up again…and that is too painful.
I bielieve I understand what ripple editing IS, but since I have always worked with cubase/nuendo, I have never used it.
But I fail to see situations in my editing jobs where I go "boy, I really wanted to move all this stuff together, but I can’t because there is no ripple editing.
I work with film/tv.
Why do you all need ripple editing so much?
Its an honest question… Am I missing a big improvement in my workflow?
Hi Henrique, Wow you have been lucky. Last year I did the edit on a film , everything was fine then they sold the film and the purchaser wanted a whole load of picture edits. Most of the changes were cuts though one instance of 17 frames being added. I was then asked to use the edit I had done and realign the audio to the new cut which meant I had to shift 130 tracks, including automation to the left to match the new picture (apart from where they added the frames so move to the right) . Nightmare! It meant that every move required that I selected everything to the right and then nudge it to the left with of course the inevitable mistakes when I’d miss something. Added to this was the way that Nuendo dealt with the automation keyframes. I always selected ‘automation follows’ but it didn’t always work maybe because the audio cues I selected ended before the automation did and when it did work and bumped into some other automation it would turn into a rats nest of keyframes. I have been using other programs with ripple editing for ever and has always been an important part of my toolkit! Programs such as Pro tools, Reaper, Vegas Pro, apparently Premiere and more. There’s a command that allows everything to be chosen left and right but very clumsy. Let’s hope I don’t get these kind of jobs again! Best regards.
Ohhh, the dreaded reconforming to picture changes! Hehehe
It’s not that I’m lucky, its cause the first time I went through that, instead of looking for a better way of reconforming by hand, I just went ahead and bought Matchbox. =) So I never thought about it anymore.
It is a HUGE lifesaver, specially cause you don’t even need EDLs, just let it compare the two edits and it reconforms everything perfectly, automation and all.
Its got great integration with Nuendo.
But I don’t mean to diminish the importance of this feature.
I don’t even want to imagine the horror of having to reconform having to select everything by hand.
Not to mention it seems pretty basic and widely adopted.
OMG Henrique, I just checked out Matchbox…so if I am working in Nuendo and I have a npr edit I did in the past with a 100 audio channels the client then sends me a video with stereo audio of the new edit then this program will identify the changes made and apply it to the Nuendo project in some way. Got to get my head around it. how far it goes. I should download the trial I guess. I’m a pretty experienced editor, is this going to be a massive learning curve as I don’t have a lot of free time right now.? Thanks for the heads up on this. All the best
To be honest the learning curve, at least for basic reconforming duties, is pretty shallow.
Basically you load the two versions - it works with audio, video, both, or EDLs of the material, it compares and establishes the differences, you just check the “from > to” timecodes, press reconform, and it does everything for you.
hehehaha! after that you just go through the markers it creates and check if the seams are ok or need any stitches, and thats it pretty much!
I use Vegas Pro when I am working on longform audio edits solely because of its ripple editing. The version of Vegas Pro I am using was released in 2018. Working on those kind of projects with Nuendo is a waste of time. I’ll have to look into Reaper one day.
Thanks Henrique…I can’t really afford it at the moment but if it works like you mention I cannot afford to be without it…guess I’ll be downloading the trial version…
