Every time I add a Rit or Rall to the penultimate measure of my piece, or other places as well, upon the first playback after doing this, when the green play bar reaches the Rall or Rit, the green playbar jumps back about 2 measures and starts playing in slow motion as the music continues forward the play bar and the music are then toally out of synch by a few measures. After this my entire piece is forever is slow motion and no matter what I do save reverting to a previous save, , it is slowed down. Crt Z and getting rid of the Rit or Rall does nothing to the tempo, changing the bpm’s does nothing, changing which note duration gets the beat for the bpm’s does nothing. The piecce is totally ruined apart from exiting and not saving. I have diagnostic report if that would help I can post that. Otherwise I am not sure what is causing this. Please help if you know what to do.
How did you add the rit? It should have an end position.
See the image below.
Note: you can set the destination tpo in the lower panel. Here 75
Also, do you have a tpo at the start of the piece?
Jesper
The only time I’ve seen this happen is if I change the tempo while it is playing back.
But even then, Stopping and starting again, everything is fine.
I think we really need to see the document, to discover what’s going on.
Dorico Diagnostics.zip (889.1 KB)
Here is the diagnostic report and the screen shot. The Rit was added by clicking on the first beat soprano note of that bar, typing Shift+t, and then Rit and enter. Then I did the same for the a tempo. But whether there is an a tempo or not the same things happens. This also does not change when I select the rit to happen over more notes.
It looks like your tempo is q= 500. I’m not sure if that’s part of the issue.
Hi @trueintonation, it would be helpful if you coul post the Dorico Project itself so we can have a look at it in our systems to diagnose the specific problem.
That’s the maximum tempo that Dorico can set.
If each of those square notes is a breve, and you’ve set a tempo fast enough to play them back quickly, then you may have broken the speed limit!
I’d suggest it’s probably better to use quarter notes and upwards, applying notehead sets to change the notehead, and hiding the stem if needed.
Dare I ask about the non-standard spellings?
Here is a possibly related issue I’ve been meaning to ask about for awhile. In this engraving of Ligeti’s Hamburg Concerto, the first movement has three molto stringendos in a row, ending “wie verrückt (as if crazy)”.
I put this in with tempo marks going to 180%, 200% and then 300%, which ends up at q=500. But once it gets there everything goes haywire: the playback continues the final chord (now slow again), but the green playback line skips ahead three movements and never slows down.
To get the playback to work again, I need to close and re-open the project.
Hamburg Concerto.dorico (2.7 MB)
Okay so while I was reading a PDF with Dorico and this project running in the background, and Dorico crashed. Here is the updated diagnostic.
Here is the project for Soon and Foęť› Euer also. It does not have the rit in it, but put the rit in and see if the same thing happens to you.
Yes the squares are breves. So you are telling me that Dorico has a speed limit for tempos that is not disclosed upfront. I cannot make the squares into quarter notes because that would make the Maximas have no tails, as they would be considered whole notes (which to my knowledge cannot be made to have tails). It is really frustrating to use this program being creative and running into limits which the program does not warn you of before you spend many hours of work on noteheads for example. I wanted to make the squares quarter notes initially but I have no control over what the tail of each not head looks like. I want all black note heads and no white ones and for it to be visually reminiscent of that very old style.
The only strange thing is, the tempo works fine and plays back normally, past the speed limit, but only when slowing it down with a rit or rall does the tempo slow down to a fixed tempo permanently unless I revert to a previous save.
The unusual spellings are the way modern English was written in the first edition printing of the King James Bible in 1611. I tend to type that way in general, but I am not doing so here, because on Facebook on the Dorico forum people mocked me to scorn for typing that way, and thought I ws trolling, and would not help me. But anyways. Let me know if any of you can find what the issue is, and if it is a speed limit problem, as well as any solutions so as to keep the visual appearence of the score with the noteheads. Thanks.
Soon and Foęť› Euer.dorico (709.8 KB)
Dorico Diagnostics.zip (800.5 KB)
- The Stem tab contains options controlling the position of where stems attach to the notehead. Each notehead can have multiple stem attachment points, as stems often attach to noteheads in different places when the note is stem up, stem down, and split for altered unisons. Stem attachment points include an indication of the stem direction for which the attachment is used and the part of the stem that attaches to this position, given as a compass direction. For example, Stem up SE is where the bottom right corner of an up stem attaches to the notehead.Each stem attachment point in the Stem tab has the following options:
- X: Moves the attachment point horizontally.
- Y: Moves the attachment point vertically.
- Add [image]: Adds the attachment point to the notehead.
- Delete [image]: Removes the attachment point from the notehead.The Attachments tab is only available if the notehead comprises at least two separate components. It contains the following options:
- Attachment from: Sets the attachment point on the component to the left of the selected component to which the selected component attaches. We recommend that you select a right edge attachment point for Attachment from.
- Attachment to: Sets the attachment point on the selected component which attaches to the component to its left. We recommend that you select a left edge attachment point for Attachment to.
There are eight attachment points for glyphs and graphics, and eleven for text, due to the extra space required for letters that extend below the baseline. The example diagram helps you visualize how these points relate to components.
[image]
The attachment points have the following names in the Edit Notehead dialog:
- Top Left
- Top Center
- Top Right
- Middle Left
- Middle Right
- Baseline Left (text only)
- Baseline Center (text only)
- Baseline Right (text only)
- Bottom Left
- Bottom Center
- Bottom Right
Thank you for the explaination of the attachemnts, I was not sure what that was all about. But that information will not let me make the quarter note tails into eighth not tails, and 8th note tails into 16th note tails and so on. Because I would need a way to clearly differentiate half notes from quarter notes wihout either being a white note head. Plus I really desire the breve to get the beat, it being the original holder of the beat in western notation, and also the look. I don’t know if you know but if I made those black squares quarter note durations they would be forced to have a quarter note tail, and like I said, tails cannot be controlled, the position of the tail can but I do not think the type of tail can be selected apart from the notes duration.
I have found a solution though, and there does not seem to be any speed limit I am breaking, it rather seems to be a glitch in Dorico with Rits and Ralls, one that definitely needs to be fixed. Here is the attached update with my solution. I have to change the tempo every beat to manufacture a rit or rall, MuseScore 3 style, and it works seemlessly. I am not done tweaking this piece and the dynamics and tempo markings, but this definitely proves there is no speed limit that I am over, but only that rits and ralls do not work with breves as the beat it seems, or maybe not at these speeds relative to the quarter notes perhaps?
Soon and Foęť› Euer.dorico (766.6 KB)
Is there a way to hide the tempo markings, or a way to hide all but the first one at the start of the piece, or ones of my choosing?
Also, you can see how all the dynamics are above the bass staff for the tenor and basses. Can I move those under the bass staff in every system and have the treble and bass staves automatically move closer together, or is this some complicated task that does not happen automaticaly upon moving the dynamics underneath. Do I just click and drag them down in write mode or engrave mode. I only ask because I would like to know prior to trying something and the whole layout going crazy.
You can hide the text and the tempo marker individually in the Properties panel, and if your choose not to show them, they will appear as signposts:
You could:
-select all
-Filter dynamics
-unlink dynamics
-Select the first note/bar of the Tenor-Basses staff
-Select till the end of flow
-Filter dynamics
-Press F to flip the Dynamics.
But (just a kind reminder) as I have read here and in other places, it is “standard” that the dynamics are above the singers staves.
And following what @Christian_R wrote, if you want to hide all Tempos but the first one, you could also:
-Select the first Tempo mark
-Use select more twice to select all Tempo marks in the flow
-Ctrl+Click the first mark to deselect it
-unchecked/deselect the properties you want to hide.
Done.
I encountered similar problems with a project once it hit 500 bpm but at that point it became stuck at 500 and plowed through all tempo changes etc remaining at 500 as though they didn’t exist. It was reproducible each time the file was opened and played, where everything would work fine until it hit 500 and then malfunctioned. This case was complicated though by having a an imported tempo map in addition to the tempo changes marked in the Dorico score, and the tempo map had an error. It wasn’t actually supposed to get anywhere near that fast.
Thanks for all the help, I am almost done the song, but now as I am going to the mixer the set the volumes, I am noticing both the treble staff and the bass staff which are two different section players are playing in the treble slider in the mixer and not at all in the bass slider. I am hearing every voice but both instruments are on the same slider and so I cannot adjust the volumes of each independently. What is going on?
What playback device are you using? Are you using one of the factory playback templates supplied with Dorico, or have you been creating your own manual sound assignments?
If you’re finding a fader in the Mixer is controlling more than one sound, that suggests either that you have multiple channels in your VST plug-in assigned to the same output, or that you’re using a VST plug-in that only provides a single output.
On a previous thread you said you were using NotePerformer, so you have to use the NotePerformer mixer (and not the Dorico mixer) to adjust the relative balance as NotePerformer sends back all audio from a single NotePerformer instance summed together on a single audio out back to Dorico.
Yes, I am using Noteperformer. Oh wow. Okay, so where is the Noteperformer mixer?
And also, many have told me Noteperformer is not the best when it comes to having a super accurate pitch. I am having all playback in 665 ET which is super accurate approximation of Pythagorean tuning, and wish to have the represented to the fullest in playback. I also noticed upon downloading Noteperformer that it allows you to buy other sound libraries through them. Are any of these more accurate in pitch than the oconica sketch that comes free with Noteperformer? Or is there another sample library that has a full range on instruments with outstanding pitch accuracy and playing techniques like non vibrato and legatp, pizzicato etc.?
@trueintonation ,
did this solve your problem with the mixer?
