Showing a single bar number

How can I force to show a single bar number in a layout? I like having a bar number for the player on the next bar after multibar rests only in the layout of this part.

Right-click on that barline or the first note/rest in the bar, and choose Bar Numbers > Add Bar Number Change… . Simply click OK in the dialog which opens and the bar number should display.

There is an option in Layout Options to show the range of multibar rests:

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Checking the box would automatically do it for all instances, and you can select all part layouts in one go and apply the setting. So a lot less work!

That’s a good idea, but then I get this bar number as well in the score and in all other layouts as well.

Thank you, I know this function and you are right, that is a lot less work. But I dislike the showing of the range. In my opinion it is too much information for the player. Only the single bar number over the next barline, maybe even two pt smaller than standard bar numbers helps me keeping the layout clean and easy legible.

The only possibility I found so far is to write text (with shift-x) in the layout where I need the bar number, then go to the score and make it invisible. That seems to be a bit complicated .
Sorry, I am just used to the requested feature from Finale, maybe that does not yet exist in Dorico.

Dietrich, have you read the first answer?

It describes the exact solution to your question.
You know that in Dorico you have local and global properties? So you can show your bar number in one layout and not show it in the score layout f.e.

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Dear k_b,

of course I read the first answer, but when I create a bar number even as locally, it is visible in score and all parts. With global properties I can hide them all, but I can’t tick off the “hide” layout to make it visible again in the layout, where I want to see it without getting it globally visible again. The only possibility is to put the bar number in, it appears in every layout, and then I can hide it locally, going through all layouts one after another except for that single layout, where I want to see it.
That seems quite complicated to me. What am I doing wrong?

I am not at my computer right now, but try to input the bar number „change“ in your Full Score layout, hide it (just this one item) globally, then switch to the one layout you want this number to be visible, and make it visible locally (by selecting the bar number change flag and setting the property).
In Germany people would probably say
„…so wird ein Schuh daraus“ :mans_shoe::notes:

Dear k_b,

thank you for your patience. I tried exactly like you told me and I think, that is the way it should work. But it does not for bar numbers.
If I just write text with the format of bar numbers and write the bar number in, then it is in score and the one part only (not in score and all parts) and then I can hide it locally.

Dietrich,
I think you should give it another try.
In my example I inserted a Bar Number Change at bar 27.
In the Viola Layout the bar number is visible.
In the Basso Layout I made the bar number invisible.
In the Full Score Layout I made the bar number invisible.

Viola Layout
Basso Layout
Score Layout

All layouts are set to ”Set local properties: Locally”

Also, to come back to your actual first question.

  1. If you write for a big ensemble where some instruments might have a longer rest (multirest), wouldn’t the extraordinary cue function make more sense to the player than just providing him/her with a bar number?
  2. Alternatively a Rehearsal Mark shift-A might give you the function you like your players to see. They can also display as Bar Numbers.
  3. benwiggy has provided you with an other option “show range of multibar rests”. It would actually enable your player to start counting after his/her last played bar (bar 8) or before the next bar (bar 35) - in case you quickly would like to start rehearsing at bar 20 f.e.

To me it looks, as if the method you use so far might not be the optimal one, even if you have got yourself and your players used to it.

Dear k_b,

it is so kind of you to help me with my problem and I am really thankful for the time that you are investing. What you wrote now is exactly what I have tried and what worked: Make it visible globally and then go the parts one after the other to hide it locally. In an orchestral score that can take its time.

Yes, probably you are right and I have to change something in my edition standards. The cue function is really very useful and fast to use, I already put it in a many places. The Rehearsal Mark is something I thought about, but there are many entries for some parts, that don’t fall together with a sensefull place for a number or letter. But I will use more rehearsal marks in future. And maybe omit bar numbers completely, like in 19th century. For rehearsing big orchestral pieces that is not the worst version.
Sorry, it is a personal thing that I dislike the option of the bar range at multibar rests. I makes the optical impression very unclear – it is too much information at one point. The number of bars rest over the multibar rest and under or right or left of it the two numbers of the range…
There had be a time all Sibelius users put in this bar range and I did not find it useful in a single of these editions. (Like the giant multibar pauses for half or more of a system, that sometimes happened…)

I actually have resorted to using shift+x to show bar numbers in specific bars. The Add bar number change functionality does not work well with this – it just takes too long time to go through each layout to hide the bar number created with the change.

It would be great to be able to add a change, then hide it globally, then unhide it locally where one wants to show it.

Or is this possible? I have at least not been able to do it.

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Also it is easy to use the bar numbers themselves as rehearsal marks, instead of letters, in Engraving Options > Rehearsal Marks.

Just a personal opinion as a performer, who has to rehearse sometimes. In the beginning I liked to rehearse by bar numbers. Though bit by bit I come to realise, that I am much more in favour of sensible Rehearsal Marks, as they were used successfully in the 19th and 20th century. l learn the musical structure, the “map” of a piece much faster with Rehearsal Marks then with bar numbers. Especially for the colleagues with a lot of multi-rests (for example wind players in an orchestra piece) it is much faster to start 8 bars before letter Z than at bar 378 please. It is much more efficient too and at the same time
prevents one to rehearse too much little (unnecessary) detail.

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Okay, thank you all very much.
After I started the subject, I feel as I should write a conclusion about what we found out:

  • It is not possible (at least not easily) to put in a single bar number in just one part in Dorico.
  • This would be a desirable feature for future development.
  • Waiting for this development, the easiest way to get the wished result is: Put in the bar number manually with shift-x in the part- layout. Hide it in the score.
  • Alternative: look for a more important moment in the music and create there a rehearsal mark (potentially a bar number)
  • For big orchestral settings: Don’t use bar numbers at all. Instead think about good places to create Rehearsal Numbers/Letters.

Thank you, once again, to all of you, who contributed to this thread.

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Can you not add the bar number, hide it globally, and then show it locally in the one layout?

(A similar trick was needed in Finale for various things, I seem to remember.)

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No, not possible, unless I am being extremely dense!
I would be very happy to be proven wrong.
And yes, that was a common trick in Finale.

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