I’m sure I’ve come across this scenario before, but I can’t find any discussion on it. The situation is that the hairpin semantically begins on beat 2, and Dorico won’t naturally allow the hairpin to encroach on the space taken up by the "glorioso, sonoro" on the previous beat.
If I narrow the note spacing (there’s nothing shorter than a quarter/crotchet in the ensemble on the downbeat) the hairpin is shortened like so:
If I flip the hairpin above and then drag it down, it sorts the horizontal spacing but leads to one of those recursive bugs where the vertical spacing gets wider and wider:
I don’t have a specific solution, but I wonder if the glorioso, sonore might be placed above the staff. Reducing the font size might help, but also might look odd.
Short of fudging it with a separate text object I can’t get away with changing the font size - it’s the same one as used for e.g. cresc. and dim. markings.
And detaching the suffix from the immediate dynamic isn’t within my purview.
For now I’ve flipped the hairpin above and then scooted it back down, and am just going to have to keep an eye on the vertical spacing.
I can’t really help you but I’m curious what bug you’re referring to. If I try in one of my own projects to flip a hairpin above the staff and then drag it down, it doesn’t seem to do anything to my vertical spacing.
I think the only elegant solution would be to move the glorioso, sonore either above the staff or below the hairpin (both are Gould proof) but if your client won’t allow that, you probably have no other choice than to move the hairpin. I’m curious if other people might have any other tweaks you can make in Dorico.
Maybe I should make clearer that I’m not interested in solutions that change the music - I have neither the authority nor the inclination to make these sorts of editorial decisions.
I’m looking for solutions that allow me to put the hairpin underneath the text, as the composer desired, in a reliable way, without cobbling up either the vertical or horizontal spacing in the file.
I do rather wish that dynamics could be dumber, particularly when they’re not grouped. Dorico’s default here is unhelpful, spacing-wise, and the “official” workaround - manual note spacing - results in a hairpin that doesn’t look two beats long, which is equally if not more unhelpful for the player.
Edit:
With the settings as displayed above, I found that on re-opening the project the fglorioso, sonore did not hold its position but had moved up towards the staff. Adjusting its Y Start offset rectified that - until the project was closed and re-opened. After a little bit of experimenting, I found that the following settings seem to be more reliable.
Still curious what those side effects are. I’m not second guessing you, I’d genuinely like to know what happens for future reference, as I’ve tried to replicate this and I didn’t encounter anything strange in terms of vertical spacing. So I’m curious what I have to take into account if I’d actually have to do this in a future project.
which would be superior in every way to what the composer “wants”. But do they really know what they want? Perhaps they would be grateful for a suggestion for improvement. I hope so.
I’m not second guessing you, I’d genuinely like to know what happens for future reference, as I’ve tried to replicate this and I didn’t encounter anything strange in terms of vertical spacing. So I’m curious what I have to take into account if I’d actually have to do this in a future project.