Snap points, why aren't they at the start of a clip/file?

Hi
I’ve recently scored a film and had all my tracks start at a specific Timecode (C12). So in the final mix I needed to type in the time code so Cubase jumps to that exact location, then I drop in my track and want to snap it to the playhead. But with each one it does not snap to the start of the audio file, but to a ‘snap point’ a little bit further in, which is obviously throwing all my songs out of time!

I have never used snap points, but I can’t see any reason why this would be default behaviour? Surely if we drop audio files into cubase and want to line them all up perfectly, we need the exact start of the file to snap to the grid for event etc.

Ive read a few threads complaining about similar things, but from years ago

Is there anything I can do? Because I had to line them all up manually in front of the director and it was a bit embarrassing, not to mention time consuming

Thanks

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Hi,

There is the Pre-record time (1sec by default) in Cubase. Therefore the Snap is mostly 1sec after the start.

You can set it to 0sec, if it works for you.

To me the Pre-Record setting has little or no effect (other than the Snap Point can land left of the recorded event).

It seems Cubase puts the Snap Point to the next grid setting after the beginning of the event. Regardless of whether you have Snap To Grid on or off.
If your ruler shows Bars&Beats the Snap Point will be placed accordingly, if your ruler shows TC it will be placed on a full second or something like this.

Those are the results of a quick test that I just did.
This having said, I remember projects where my Snap Point landed on a rather odd location and I wondered how it got there.

Anyway, here is my macro to set the Snap Point to the beginning of the event. You have to select the event first:
grafik

Thanks for the advice

But When I’m dealing with 50 or so separate pieces I need to drop in, do I really have to select each one and then use the macro? Especially as I’m dragging them in from a folder and then wanting to snap to the playhead, not drop them in, select, use the macro, then drag to the playhead

I just can’t understand how the default behaviour is not the start of the event! Or at least that you could make it that way in the settings somewhere

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This makes no difference. I have tried setting record to 0 when exporting audio and importing it, the snap point is still set not at the start of the event

I have realised that this is only happening to audio exported from cubase, not from other audio files I drop in (which have the snap point at the start of the event)

So I’m thinking it must have something to do with when the audio is exported? but I can’t find any settings that relate to the snap point when exporting

Hi,

I’m sorry, I cannot reproduce it. This is what I did:

  • Keep the preferences to 1.000ms Pre-Record.
  • Add an Audio Track (the track becomes Record Enabled by default).
  • Wait at least for 1sec to ensure the Pre-Record buffer becomes filled in and there is a signal.
  • Hit Record, record some signal.
    => The Snap is set 1sec from the beginning of the Audio Event, as expected.
  • Select the Audio Event.
  • Hit P to set the Locators.
  • Export Audio Mixdown (with the settings to Create New Project).
    => In the new project, the Snap is at the very beginning of the Audio Event, the Audio Event has the same length and the audible signal is the same.

It works as expected to me.

Then it works different on your install compared to mine.
Can you still try it with Cubase 12?

I tried. And also I am not talking about a single audio file, but the whole mix down of my project, I don’t see why I’d need to change pre record to 0 to have the final mix down stereo file have the snap point at the start of the event

I imagine most people like me would want pre record on for the project, but when exporting a final mix down would like to be able to drop it in to a new project and have it snap to the start of the event

Hi,

The result is the same then.

Could you describe your use case and result, please?

Hi,

Could you describe your use case and result, please?

Are you still on Cubase 12?

Same steps as per your description.
Still on C12. I don’t want to lose some of the things that went overboard with C13.

Hi,

And what is the result on your side, please?

It becomes more obvious if you start the recording on an off-grid position.

Hi,

No, this is not the case. Cubase snaps to the Snap point, not to the Audio Event start.

I can’t believe this is default behavior… sometimes cubase snaps the end of audio event to grid rather than beginning and i need it to snap the beginnings like 100% of time. This has been so frustrating for years

@JuraP no way round it. This is part of the design.
From the manual:

The event snap point is set as follows:
● If you record an audio event, the snap point is set to the next grid position.
● If you bounce a selection, the snap point is set to the start of the new event or to the first
snap point that you set manually.
● If you bounce a range selection, the snap point is set to the start of the new event or to the
first snap point that you set manually.
● If you freeze an audio event, the snap point is set to the start of the new event or to the first
snap point that you set manually.
● If you export audio, the snap point is set to the start of the new audio file.

AFAIK all of this is accurate except point 2.

Are you sure you have the snap point set to the start of the event and Grid chosen in the Snap Type menu?

Hi,

Cubase can Snap the End only if you Snap to Events or Snap to Cursor.

I’ll definitely keep an eye on that the next time it happens…but i wish there was a way to set the snap point to always be at the start of the event.
Thank you @stingray and @Martin.Jirsak