Add notes snapshot notes to that snapshot, then verify that they are still there when you exit the field.
Save the project.
Close the project.
Open the project again.
Expected result: Snapshot notes are what you entered in step 2.
Actual result: Snapshot notes are blank.
Note: This is on Windows 10. I only have one snapshot in the project at this point. I’d initially discovered it with other steps between the creating of snapshot notes and closing the project, but I just tried it again, saving the notes in the snapshot (I did not create a new snapshot, just added notes to the existing one this time), and that also misses the notes.
Perhaps it is relevant that this project started with a Cubase 12 project with multiple snapshots in it. After updating to Cubase 13, and making a number of edits, mostly relating to comping, tuning, and otherwise processing vocals, I deleted all the old mix snapshots, then, when I got to the point of being able to make a work mix, created the snapshot plus notes.
I only noticed the missing notes after reopening the project. Then I tried again to add notes, saved the project, closed and reopened it, and the notes were gone again.
I’ll have to experiment some more to see if I can find any more information on this to narrow it down. I expect to be creating another mix sometime later today anyway.
Yes, this is correct. I’d deleted all the old snapshots (from Cubase 12.0.70) in Cubase 13, then created one new snapshot (in Cubase 13.0.10). The notes showed prior to and after saving the project, but were gone after closing the project then reopening it.
The data is actually saved in the CPR file. I took a copy of that file and dragged it into Notepad then searched for the snapshot name. Here is what it shows, which includes my notes:
However, here is what the snapshot in the MixConsole shows:
Thus, the problem seems to be in the display. Perhaps this means there is some sort of corruption of the data format within the file? Would it be helpful if I sent you a copy of the CPR file (without all the associated audio data – the CPR file itself is about 11.5 MB)?
After saving a new snapshot, including adding notes to that one, then saving the project, closing the project, exiting Cubase, and coming back into Cubase with the project, not only did the notes from the second snapshot show up in the snapshot notes, but now the notes from the first snapshot are back.
However, if I load the last save of the project prior to adding the second snapshot, the notes from the first snapshot are still missing. Thus, that second snapshot save seems to have cleared up whatever condition was preventing the display of the snapshot notes when there was only a single snapshot.
To be honest, this was so long ago that I don’t recall for certain. But I’m guessing it just felt like a fluke at the time, and I haven’t seen the situation recur since (even closer to the date and with the older version of C13, or I’d probably have added to this thread).
My only speculation might be if there was some external factor involved that made for a “coincidence”. I see, for example, that the specific project I had the issue with was originally a Cubase 12 project, and it looks like maybe this occurred in the first session where I edited it in Cubase 13. Maybe exiting Cubase and reentering it made for a difference in this now that, from Cubase 13’s view (i.e. in the second Cubase session) it no longer had the Cubase 12 baggage? (While I’ve worked on projects that would have originally started in Cubase 12 more recently, it is probably unlikely that I’ve gotten to making MixConsole snapshot notes in the first Cubase session, since I’d probably end up with a lot of work to do to get to making a mix if I’m working on a Cubase 12 project nowadays, whereas the project where I had the issue sounds like it was one I’d already been mixing if I had MixConsole snapshots to delete – in fact, for me to delete them means it’s past 10 mixes since that is where the limitation on number of snapshots kicks in.) Or perhaps there was some system update that happened that somehow affected the control used prior to Cubase’s being restarted? Or …???
I’m on Windows 10 (and would have been at the time of the problem, as well).
FWIW, I am at the mixing stage of my current project (while it started in Cubase 12 – I am repurposing tracks originally from a song demo with another singer – I’ve been working on it in Cubase 13 for quite a while now), and my most recent mix snapshot is number 9, and it is not a final mix. Thus, it is likely I’ll get to the stage of needing to delete some older snapshots in the next few days to a week. If I see the issue recur, I’ll report back to this thread.
Thank you anyway, @rickpaul, I’m still having the issue and the project I’m working on started in Cubase 13 but this seems not to be the problem (or the solution…); I’m on a Mac and maybe this can be a different story, who knows…
I never used snapshot very much and I wanted to find out a way to do; as a starting point I can’t say I’m very encouraged
Best,
Art
I did end up having to delete some older snapshots in yesterday’s session, and I didn’t run into a problem with notes in the snapshot I made after that.
While it’s rare for me to actually revert to an older snapshot, I do use them as something of a safety, but much more for the notes, which help me track what I’ve changed each time in progressing from initial work mixes through rough mixes and final mix candidates.
Unfortunately, I have no clue what caused the problem the one time I saw it, and, fortunately for me, it has not recurred since then. I think that, if it were a common problem, there would be more reports on it in these forums, be it adding onto this thread or having separate posts.
Hi @rickpaul,
I agree even if this leaves me with an unsolved (minor) problem…
I’ll do some more try, maybe with a new project, and who knows…: Cubase is a very sophisticated daw - that I’ve been using from the Atari first version - and reasons for issues may be more than one, not always easy to find.
Should I find an explanation I’ll update this post.
Thank you and all the best,
Art
I didn’t understand the reason, probably I was doing something wrong, but now snapshot seem to work correctly; the only thing I think could be annoying is automation get lost when you recall a different snapshot so this makes necessary to save a .cpr version anyway…
Yeah, I just read several threads on this subject from back when the snapshot feature was introduced, and quite a few people were feeling the snapshot feature was pointless without including the automation, and some were adding a similar thing related to track versions. That is perhaps one factor on why I’ve never really used the snapshots for actual recall but more for tracking what I’ve changed in each mix.
That said, I also often don’t have automation in earlier mixes, unless they relate to changes for a track that sometimes plays a background role and sometimes takes a solo and keeping both parts on the same track rather than splitting them out to different tracks. And, in my going through various posts today, I learned that the snapshots can be restored selectively to selected tracks and also include only selected aspects of the changes, which might make them more useful than I was thinking they would be in light of the automation consideration. For example, it might be possible to just revert on a specific track or set of tracks where automation considerations wouldn’t be of concern or exclude components of the snapshots where automation would be of concern. For example, if you want processing changes and fader level changes to be reverted on a track or tracks, but you’ve made a bunch of panner automation moves that you want to preserve, you could just exclude the panner in the restoration. Ditto for if you’ve made changes in inserts and/or insert automation that you wouldn’t want affected by a rollback.
While I’ve only been using these as essentially mix versions (and more for tracking than for purposes of rolling back), these selective capabilities might actually make them more useful for earlier stage experimentation that I normally do by just bypassing different plugins, for example in trying to figure out a vocal chain or electric guitar pedals/amps chain. Automation probably wouldn’t be a factor for me at that stage (especially if considering only a single track at a time). Of course, then I’d run out of snapshots earlier and have to delete some, but that’s not that big a deal.
Yes, the snapshot notes. For example, in some notes from a mix I did yesterday, where I was trying to address bass resonance, I noted what I was doing with a transient shaper on both the drums submix and the bass guitar track. (This was after a number of earlier mixes trying to address the same issue where, for example, I’d created a send that went to an FX track that went nowhere, but filtered only the low end from the drums submix to isolate the kick, which was then used as a sidechain into a dynamic EQ on the bass.)
I didn’t know about it until yesterday, either. I found it in another thread relating to MixConsole snapshots that referred to a video:
I’ll try this way too, as I saw they’re working now… I was taking note on Project Notepad and, if I render some plugin (guitars or even virtual instruments) I take note in the channel notepad in case I want modify something in the future; this in conjunction with track versions…
Thank you very much! Greg Ondo is a reference point!
I’ve never used the project notepad (not sure if I was even aware of it), but I use the track notepad all the time mostly to document virtual instrument information in case of needs to move a project between DAWs in the future. (Having had to do a similar thing moving SONAR projects to Cubase, without having benefit of such notes, has taught me this is worthwhile. Even though I can usually open old SONAR projects in Cakewalk by BandLab, sometimes the older versions of VST instruments and plugins no longer work, so I can’t always open the original plugin and get the settings.)
It’s amazing as Cubase has a lot of possible ways to do same things; it’s a very sophisticated DAW and it’s not easy to know it inside out…
I created a shortcut for project notepad ( ctrl+alt+command+N) so I can take notes very quickly and leave it open when I save; it’s wider than mixer snapshots and single channels notepad. Matter of taste…
