What would be really special is if they copied the PT Clip gain to go along with the smart tool… totally eliminating the need to split clips and add fades.
I hate “automated” clip gain. If you’ve ever had to re-edit or adjust someone else’s work you’d know why that’s the case. The normal edit functions aren’t operating the same when there’s ‘automated’ clip gain, and that just pure sucks.
And PTs clip gain is just one single stage the “dynamic clip level” and the static clip level is one and the same. In Nuendo hthere is two unrelated clip volume and clip envelope.
Yes I would love to be able to raise gain directly using the clip envelope, and see the amount of gain change and be able to push/pull to automation.
Do I really NEED it? Nope not really, I’m pretty efficient as it is using the existing workflow.
That would definitely end up on my nice to have list rather than must have list.
Do you use “Mouse wheel = event volume” in Nuendo? I have it set to toggle on and off with a key command. Nuendo even flashes a nice little pop-up that disappears in a couple of seconds to let you know when it’s being switched.
Super fast, quicker than Pro Tools clip gain with the mouse cursor. Effectively a smart tool since it is contextual in nature.
well you can still 100% do it the way you like in PT… I am certain 80% of people would like the option… In fact you are the first person I have seen that doesn’t like that workflow… I save hours every project, hours, by not having to split and fade clips.
And to be technical, steinberg already offer this option with their pencil, the problem is it’s implemented terribly.
Re editing is no problem at all.
K, so what happens if someone has drawn clip gain in PT and it’s 90 degree angles? Last time I tried using “x” wouldn’t do what it does to volume automation (create a ramp).
I hate it.
Yes, grace periods do apply to major releases (it doesn’t matter if it’s called 10.5 or 11, it’s just a number).
By the way, Nuendo does not use to have .5 versions, so it will likely be called 11. But that doesn’t matter.
Yes, grace periods work fine after the new version is released. So to be sure to have the next version included, just wait with your activation until N11 is released.
Thanks starsprinkler, I was just told by Scott at estore support that I could not wait till v11 was released to activate, cause that’s not how it works, only the date i BOUGHT the crossgrade counts. I think he might be mistaken but I didn’t want to argue, so he gave me a refund.
The reason being that I thought it was a 40% sale, but 600 AU is the standard price for cubase to nuendo, and even as far back as Cubase 4.
So I am just going to wait for version 11 and re buy it then. There is no point doing it now and then paying again in 3 months, if Scott is to be believed.
I’ll just use the demo for 60 days and buy the nuendo crossgrade the day V11 is released or if there IS actually some sale on crossgrades before then.
I think the sale was for crossgrades from other DAWS and thats why I got confused, cause the email said crossgrades. Had i known I would have bought a crossgrade from PT or Logic and just kept my cubase license… so it was all a bit of a cluster F.
If Cubase 10.5 upgrade happens to go on sale before Nuendo 11, I’ll get that instead for now, but the goal is nuendo for sure.
Anyway, thanks for helping. All the best.
Now you are confusing me… just command E to split and do it like steinberg does and have individual clip gain.
X cuts clips, so I have no idea what you are on about.
I just created a ramp in two seconds, the way steinbergs pencil works exactly… Just use command to create the points…
You are really confusing me to be honest.
When was the last time you used pro tools?
I just highlighted a selection using the smart tool and dragged up or down to audio create a flat gain change on that section. Then i added manual points and created ramps within that gain change as well as leading to the point before and after.
What else is it you want to do? All it’s doing is acting like Cubase’s pencil but gives you the option of making vertical gain changes to any part of the clip without the need of splicing it. Just like Cubendo’s automation, but with waveform visual changes… All I am asking is an option for that automation feature with cubase 10.5’s smart tool to be added to clip gain as an option. I think you are making way too much out of this.
PT is what I use most of the time. So last night at 9pm roughly.
In Pro tools when you have regular track automation you can use “cut” (x) to, well, ‘cut’ automation. But it creates a ramp between the beginning and end of the range you’ve selected. This ensures that there are no 90 degree angles that create annoying pops.
What I was getting at earlier was that I took over someone’s work where they had used clip gain automation (not volume) and that person created that automation across words or phrases but with 90 degree angles. If this had been volume automation then it would have been faster since all I’d have to do was quickly select a range across that entirely vertical line and hit “x” to solve the issue. But with clip gain - again unless I’m missing something - using “x” will cut the clip, not adjust gain. Using a pencil tool or grabber to move the points is slower (for me) because it takes more time and precision to pinpoint those automation nodes.
I never made much out of it at all, I just said I don’t like it and don’t need it.
Perhaps my original post on this wasn’t particularly clear.
Dude, you used the word HATE. That’s a strong emotion. You hate the way pro tools does clip gain.
It can do everything Nuendo can do for clip gain (and unsurprisingly the key shortcuts are different) but it happens to do one thing it doesn’t which you hate.
I still do not understand what you are talking about in any case, so it’s pointless to keep going back and forth about it, and it will just keep going too OT.
If someone wants to use clip gain instead of automation, that’s their prerogative, really. Yes, X cuts the clip. But I don’t even know what you want to do with X. So forget it. Cheers.
Yeah, you’re right. You got me. I don’t “hate” it. I just don’t particularly care for it. I hate racism for example, so this is clearly different.
It’s what I said. I’ve had occasions where I had to adjust someone else’s mix and they had chosen to use clip gain automation. When they did that they did it so that they ended up with perfectly vertical lines and 90 degree angles. That created “ticks” or “clicks” due to the instantaneous change in level. This is obviously terrible practice and needless to say that engineer is no longer working on important projects in that studio.
Anyway, when I had to clean that up the difference between that and regular (fader) volume automation is that I can quickly draw a range over the automation points on the volume automation lane and hit “x” and it’ll create a “ramp” from start to end over that range. I can’t do that on clips because it’ll end up cutting a hole in the clip instead, and that’s not what I want. So instead I have to do it the slower way.
I can’t really explain it any clearer than that I think.
Yes, right. Forget it. I was just saying it doesn’t do much for me other than statically over an entire clip/event. If other people want to use it then fine.
Not relevant in this discussion, but worth mentioning …
Clip gain is pre-inserts, automation is post-inserts.
Which means that clip gain is affecting by which amount the inserts are “hit”.
So if you level clip gain, -for example- a compressor as insert doen’t have to work as hard.
So there is a big difference in using clip gain vs. regular automation.
For example, I “paint” the sss-es out with the event envelopes, preventing the use of a de-esser.
I know some engineers who “paint” the complete dialog track with event envelopes, so there is no need for compression to make the DX loud and clear.
Fredo
This is exactly why I use clip gain…
for gain staging, as well as evening out clips where compression isn’t doing a good job.
All I want in Cubendo is an option to use the range selection tool on the clip gain line and being able to immediately drag up or down within that selection and it just raises or lower whats in the selection. No need to split clips, no need to fade clips after split (to avoid pops). Will save me HOURS of work per project.
Dare I ask roughly when that’ll appear? Like, mid-year or end-of-year?
So, within all of the expectations and promises, where are we on the “replace audio in video” procedure?
Will we still have to leave Nuendo to provide a video with the audio we composed for it?
It’s been a while!
You can currently add audio to a video as of one of the latest updates - but it’s limited, without options for rendering codec, file size etc. But that has been mentioned by the developers as coming soon. But you can highlight a section of video, or the entire video, and export with sound added. It doesn’t “replace” like it used to, but rather it makes a copy, like most other DAWs do.
The deal-breaker is, do we have to “leave” Nuendo to do this?
The deal-breaker is, do we have to “leave” Nuendo to do this?
No.
But, the videos are too big at the moment. I’m sure they’ll get it sorted sometime.
Hmmm!