Some (not all) of MIDI CC data isn't changing MIDI-, Cubase 14 Pro

Hi -

I am able to make the CC pitch bend work, but CC1, CC7, and CC11 won’t “fade out” the notes.

I have an Instrument Track with the “GA Classics Drive” inserted (It’s PianoTeq, I played the guitar part on my synth keyboard). That track is routed to a Group that has some reverb and delay plugs inserted.

When I draw a CC7, or CC1, or CC11, in the Instrument Track to go down to zero very quickly, the notes play just as long as if I hadn’t drawn them. Same result whether the Reverb and Delay plugs in the Group are temporarily disabled.

Could it be that PianoTeq 8 doesn’t respond to CC1, Cc7, CC11 messages? I don’t think so because in PianoTeqs Options it has a listing of what looks like all the MIDI commands that I made, and CC1, CC7, and CC11 are on that list, like the Pitchbend CC … but maybe that doesn’t mean they will all work? How can I know?

This is the first time I’m using CC1, CC7, CC11, what basic concept am I missing please?

Thanks :slight_smile:

Hi,

It’s on every single instrument/synth side on how exactly it interprets the given MIDI CCs. On the other hand, MIDI CC7 is one of the most basic, it should always work as Volume.

As it is an Instrument track, you can automate the Volume of the fader in the Automation Track to make the Fade Out.

Thank you, @Martin.Jirsak

As mentioned above, this is PianoTeq, not a Steinberg VSTi, and though the CC1, CC7, and CC11 commands are listed in a PianoTeq MIDI window, it’s not clear to me why they are not affecting the sound.

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Yes, thank you :slight_smile: , and I’m trying to figure out why it isn’t :grinning_face:.
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Thanks for that, will do if necessary, but I’d really like to make this work with CC commands if at all possible.

Is the MIDI CC data you’ve drawn on the same MIDI channel as the instrument + note data?

Hi,

This would play role only, if the MIDI Output Channel is set to Any. But, you are right, this might be the case.

Thanks for the follow up @Topographic_Tim and @Martin.Jirsak .

My MIDI Channel is set to Channel 1.

I don’t actually find where the MIDI CC data is assigned. I do notice when I open the MIDI editor and expand the Note Expression tab that there are no values in the “In” column, and I don’t see how to populate that column, though I’m not sure that would be where to assign the CC channel.

Thanks again for any further suggestions,

Hi,

It has nothing to do with Note Expression. Please, don’t set it up.

You mentioned, that PianoTeq has any kind of MIDI Monitor, right? What does it show?

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Here is my MIDI editor with CC curves drawn, and also the PianoTeq MIDI command list. It’s paused when one of the CC controllers is active (CC1, IIRC), if the project plays it shows the others (CC Pitch Bend, CC7, CC11) on the list also.

As mentioned above - CC pitch bend works great, just not CC1, CC7, CC11.

Thanks for looking, @Martin.Jirsak and @Topographic_Tim , and for any other suggestions/comments. :grinning_face:

Hi,

Here, we don’t see any MIDI CC1/7/11 assignment. Maybe you can do it in the Global MIDI Mapping.

But the Operation Manual doesn’t mention any way to do so. It expects to control the Volume via the MIDI Note’s Velocity. That means, if you want to make a Fade Out, do it on the Mixer level, as I mentioned above.

Hi Martin,

Thank you for hanging in there with me.

In your quote above, which Operation Manual do you mean - the PianoTeq Manual doesn’t mention any way to do so?

Thank you :blush:

Hi,

Yes, I mean the Pianoteq User Manual. I can see that there is some kind of Mixer section, where you can set up the Mic volumes and also the Mixed Output. In fact, you are again on the Mixer section then.

It could be that this particular instrument doesn’t have any parameter mapped to MIDI CC 1, 7 or 11.

This is not what is shown in the screenshot you posted. The screenshot shows that there are mappings to MIDI CC 64, 66, 67 and 69. In addition to the MIDI CCs, MIDI Pitchbend is also mapped.

I would recommend taking a step back and explaining what it is exactly you wish to accomplish. MIDI CC might not be the answer.

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