Staff spacing changes when moving rehearsal marks or tempo marks

Hi everyone, I searched for this problem on the forum but haven’t found anything. This happens to me quite a lot in a big score – when moving rehearsal marks or tempo marks, it shifts either other tempo marks and rehearsal letters or shifts staff spacing on adjacent pages. Here’s an example, where I’m moving the 35C reh mark vertically on the right page. The layout is locked. Anyone any idea what conflict on the page is causing this to happen, or how to avoid it?

EDIT. after this move, even using reset staff spacing on frame does not return the left hand page to normal.

I can’t figure out off the top of my head but if you upload the project with that Layout then I’m happy to check it out.

What version of Dorico are you using? I vagely remember something like that happening in earlier versions…

I’m on the latest version of 5

I’ve worked out that it’s moving the staves because it’s moving the other rehearsal mark (35B) on that page. I’m not sure why it’s linking the two rehearsal marks like that across several system breaks and a frame break

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This is indeed strange - I did not even see this second rehearsal mark move when I was looking at the clip the first time!

When you select rehearsal mark 35B in engrave mode, what does the screen look like? Where is 35B normally attached to, and does it have strange positioning values set?

Here’s another try. i move the 35B mark, and the staves stay in position. I then move the 35C mark, the staves go all over the place. Then I go back and move the 35B mark one space down (cmd-option-down arrow) and the staves go back to their correct position.

The 35B mark is attached to the beginning of the 2/4 bar directly below it, and it doesn’t have any strange positioning values set.

No idea what is causing this odd behaviour, but it happens a lot in this large score, both with rehearsal marks and tempi and occasionally other system-attached text (like fake tempi or scene titles).

Sometimes unticking “Automatically resolve collisions between adjacent staves and systems” in Layout Options>Vertical Spacing>Minimum Gaps works for me as a starting point.

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Thanks for the thought. Trouble is, I do want dorico to automatically resolve collisions between staves It works in most places already, which is good. But with some exceptions. I’m just trying to understand why it is exhibiting this behaviour here.

I guess there was no other thoughts about this topic? I still haven’t resolved it unfortunately — it seems to happen in quite a few places.

If you upload your project, we might be able to investigate more thoroughly for you.

ok — here’s a very stripped down version of just a few pages either side (so all layout spacings have been lost because pages have been removed).

the Rehearsal Mark that was causing problems in the video above is 35C on the Vocal Score layout, on page 6. If you move it, you’ll see what I mean. Any clues appreciated!
reh mark problem.dorico (2.7 MB)

Sorry. It moves around in Engrave quite happily here without disrupting anything (but the layout looks nothing like your video).

Two windows open for this document. If I use the window for the Vocal Score and move rehearsal mark 35C, as described, I can see other things moving. It’s particularly bad if I use Alt+arrow to move the rehearsal mark.

Yeah exactly, the problem is specific to the vocal score layout (and yes it’s worse using the keys to move).

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@janus I think you must be in a different layout. try the vocal score layout.

@asherber do you have any clues as to what conflict is causing it to happen?

Sorry, hopefully someone smarter than me will have an idea.

It’s to do with your gradual tempo text at measure 4 of 35A. It is continuing through to 35D, right through 35B and 35C.

If you select it and change the Gradual style to rit… then it will go back to how you would expect it to work. For some reason when the continuation line is hidden, the kerfuffle happens. It must be something to do with collision avoidance though it’s certainly strange.

For now, your best bet is to make your gradual tempo changes last a shorter length (i.e. not through rehearsal marks). EDIT: as long as the tempo indication doesn’t extend beyond 35C, you won’t have this issue.

Obviously, this will affect playback.

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oh wow, wonderful, thanks for the help!