Hi, I would like to ask, how can I get a paying technic sul pont as a text not as a glyph typing in popover sul pont? There are two playing technics in a string section: Sul Ponticello (Bow on Bridge) and Sul ponticello (sul pont.) but both of them in Dorico have set the same popover text - sul pont
Trying to understand a logic behind…D I have to delete a first one, if I never use this glyph?
It’s simply a mistake. Go to the Playing Techniques Editor, find the sul pont symbol and set its popover text to something other than sul pont. Save as Default and close.
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I got it deleting a popover text in a first playing technic. So I am not able to use a glyph any more (to say you truth, I have never seen such sign in some classical or modern score), but I am getting what I would like to.
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Thank you pianoleo. You posted on the same time I did😊
Thanks both of you! I have always had to get sul pont from the playing techniques panel on the right hand side, and then alt-clicking once I had it. This way is much faster. FWIW I changed the popover text for the glyph to “sul pont glyph” for bow-on-bridge. Like mipi, I don’t think I’ve seen this glyph either, but it’s nice to have it.
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I’m a cellist for over 20 years and have also never seen that sign. I wonder if any string player would ever recognise it… But thanks for the help! Deleted it in the Playing Techniques Editor 
Four years later, is this still valid? Bc when I hit shift-P and type Sul pont, I get two text-only variants, both of which still turn into the upside-down “u” symbol. I also get that upside-down “u” with two or more lines in the middle. Are these also “mistakes”?
What I really want is for the “Sul pont” text to have an effect on playback for, say, violin.
How can I make that happen?
thx in advance
The default popover text values for playing techniques may indeed still have collisions. (Sorry, that task has been sitting in our backlog assigned to me for a long time now, but it’s not that I am idle, there are just so many things to do.)
The default sounds that come with Dorico do not include sampled sul pont., so you will need a third-party library that includes this.
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I just noticed the same; sul post is duplicated, but both yield a glyph I’d never seen before and would really prefer a simple text for “sul pont.” I’m not seeing any way to edit the popover text. Can at least one of the two sul pont entries be made into the text “sul pont?” Thanks.
Hi @dtoub, here is where and how to edit the popover text:
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That worked! Thanks. I was using Playback Techniques and didn’t notice Playing Techniques…
I think that’s one of the challenges; there are many configurable options in Dorico, but they’re in more than 10 individual libraries, and there are also the app preferences. Perhaps Playback Techniques, Playing Techniques and even Playback Options could all be combined…
Thanks!
I am trying to understand the structural difference between these similar sounding terms:
Playing Technique is an instruction for the (human) player of the instrument.
Playback Technique is an instruction to the audio playback that the application performs.
Playback Option is a general user definable preset on how the application performs playback.
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And you nailed it: this is a perfect clear and condensed definition of those terms, @k_b!
@dtoub, I think is exactly for this reason (that there are many options), that it is very good that Dorico organises them in a logical and categorised way in different places (as @k_b very clearly describes).
In rare cases there is a conceptual overlapping between options (that could be placed in a different category/dialogue) but I think generally the subdivision helps to find a particular option faster, and helps understanding how Dorico works.
Yes but hence the complexity. It is not clear on the face of it. Just being honest. The distinctions among those categories are not obvious to me and I suspect not obvious to others. In which case, why not try to simplify things?
I’m going to be using Dorico for the long term. I want it to be better and less complicated. The manual is good for telling me what things are but not as good at telling me how to do those things. That’s why I end up searching this forum. It serves the purpose of telling me how to do things once I search through several threads.
It’s like a computers desktop.
Method 1) you have named folders for your items and sort them into them.
Method 2) you put all items onto your desktop.
Which of the 2 methods is simpler?
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That’s not really the point I’m making, though. Organization is good. But having folders that are subtly different at best doesn’t really help a user. I realize I’m a minority opinion here, but do think it’s important to chime in.
Not a minority of course David, but why not keep the subtle differences of language? They do make sense - and we are musicians after all…
I think they might make sense once one is clued in by your description, but intuitive, it isn’t. I think at this point, where various preferences reside should at least be somewhat intuitive. Even with a massively complex plugin for Finale like Perfect Layout (which has probably too many configuration options, although most users hopefully don’t need to tweak anything), it was well organized into obvious categories. It’s good that Dorico has a lot of configuration options, but I was surprised that I find it daunting at times to figure out where things are, and some of them are also very complicated for the average user. Perhaps if there were more explanation upfront where things are and also what some of the less obvious options even mean (I have three degrees, have worked in a lot of places, and have never ever heard the term “rastral” until Dorico came along, and I’m still not sure I understand what it means).
Many/most of the folks in this forum are well versed in Dorico, which is why this forum is probably more useful, at least to me, than the online manual. But keep in mind that many of us are not well versed in Dorico, and while that’s certainly to be expected, it will be accompanied by more questions due to some complexity that might have been avoided with better explanations. One of the reasons I am spending this weekend composing another work is in order to keep my Dorico skills up; I was worried that after a few months from my first work in Dorico, I’d forget a lot of what I had taken the time to figure out. As with everything, including things requiring muscle memory, repetition and volume matters. Thanks.
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