Text and fermata placement

By default Dorico places a fermata above any(?) Playing Technique text, but I would rather have the fermata directly above the note and the text above the fermata.

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In my current project there are too many occurrences for me to adjust manually; by any chance is this controlled by a setting somewhere?

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I’ll actually stick my neck out and say this is “incorrect”. I’ve been looking through dozens of published scores specifically where “con sord.” or “senza sord.” is written, and not once have I seen the fermata pushed out the way to favour the text.

I think it is a result of how Dorico stacks different types of object, and certainly not ideal. One workaround is to displace the con sord grid position so it does not coincide with the fermata, but you still need to drag it eventually.

My quick & dirty workaround: hide the actual playing technique, then replicate it using Shift-X text. I have set the Default Text paragraph style to be exactly the same as the Playing Technique Font font style, so this is very efficient.

I agree that playing techniques should be positioned outside pauses. We can change this, but due to the way the ordering of collision avoidance is set up in Dorico at the moment, the change will affect all projects, past, present and future. So if you have spent time manually adjusting the relative ordering of these items, you’ll need to redo those edits in future versions of the software.

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O, good to know…

Thanks Daniel, I really hope you can change this as soon as possible.

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I echo the need for this update. I have been manually moving text in engrave mode, and it’s a lot of work to keep track of in the cleanup process of a big score.

The good news is this will be implemented in the forthcoming Dorico 5.1 update.

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Is it possible to place fermatas above notes independently like it’s shown on the enclosed screenshot?

I have made a custom Playing Technique ‘dumb fermata’ for exactly these purposes. Of course it doesn’t influence the playback but then again, neither did the proper fermatas until version 5.1 .

Thanks for reply. In my case it’s not the playback I’m talking about. As you can see in the example I’ve made in Sibelius fermatas are placed on different beats independently in both voices. I didn’t find the way to engrave like this in Dorico. In Dorico fermatas would be placed strictly on the same beat in both voices.

Pardon me, but what the heck does that example mean?
Why are the parts lined up if they’re not simultaneous?

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This reasonable question could be addressed to the composer who wrote that in his autograph score, but he’s passed away a decade ago. I’m just trying to engrave his score as close as possible.

Place the fermata at the last quarter note and move the top one to the left in Engrave mode.

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Yes, hence my solution of a ‘dumb’ fermata that doesn’t have this restriction.

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Yep, ended up with this workaround.

It doesn’t work, because by default fermatas are placed above each staff and move around as a group in Engrave mode.

I was able to add a fermata to the last quarter note and move the other two to their respective placments:

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Make sure, that you are in Engrave mode and only one fermata is selected.

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