Every year a new operating system, from the moment you install it until the DAWs are updated a time passes in which almost nothing works well, then they release a new version for that new operating system that after 6 months is almost obsolete, you go through the box and start again. Between some things and others you have not even had time to see the news of one version when you are already in another but things never work well. I liked it when Apple’s operating systems took a few years to change and Cuba took a long time to update.
I think some should learn from Logic, at least after years of paying they should give the updates for free.
I disagree with some of your statements such as “…until the DAWs are updated a time passes in which almost nothing works well…”.
That’s simply not true! I’ve been updating to new versions for 15 years (!) and I have finished countless projects, and with VERY FEW problems originating in Cubase. There are always new features that I simply do not need, and I don’t allow that to prevent me from getting work done. And there are always so many new features that I really learn to appreciate, sometimes not until a few months after updating.
And if you feel overwhelmed by the updates, then simply skip it. Or if you have 99 euros handy and you want to purchase it now instead of later, then buy it but install it later when you’re ready. Nobody is forcing you to update!
And the other thing that really bugs me is the “gimme something for nothing” entitlement “me-me-me” attitude. I think you should reconsider what you wrote here.
I haven’t said that you can’t finish a project, what I wanted to express is that a daw rarely comes out without bugs, well finished, you just have to read the Steinberg forums. I’m just saying that maybe it would be better to release a new version every 2 years, well finished. I’ve been paying for every update since Cubase 5, so that of receiving for nothing can’t apply to me but I think that definitely the updates are very expensive, especially when I’ve bought so many.
Even so, he did not intend to attack Steinberg or Cubase but rather at this accelerated pace of updates of operating systems and daws.
At least I appreciate that they don’t charge the intermediate update as they did before.
Well, then they would have to charge you for the computer that you are running Cubase on. And to get you to buy a new computer frequently they would have to release new versions of the OS that makes older stuff not work anymore. And if that doesn’t get you to spend the money they would need to build in planned obsolescence, so that your computer becomes slower and slower.
Oh, and, simple cables would cost 10 times as much as elsewhere because they just change the connector format.
Now, that would be the way of Logic. Congratulations.
Wow you really do not have the faintest idea of how this works do you??
Please tell us how Steinberg could continue to exist as a functioning corporation if they simply gave out all their updates from here on out for free? Are you going to send them a random check so they can pay the developers who worked on those updates??
You seem to forget that Apple is in the hardware business, and can afford to literally give Logic away. Apple could make Logic Pro entirely free, you still have to pay roughly $1000 just for a machine to use it in the first place. And what happens 4-5 years later when those ‘free’ updates no longer run on your machine because you cant run the latest OS? You go spend another $1000+ and buy a brand new Apple. Logic updates, despite what you think are not even remotely ‘free’.
It’s not that obvious at first glance, but the payment model for Cubase has actually become an Annual Subscription meanwhile. 99 € for a one year’s use of the last Pro version (13), that’s 27 cents per day. 199 € for an upgrade from the penultimate version, is also 27 cents per day.
I pay for the updates but I think there are too many. It’s just my opinion, I understand that Steinberg charges but I also think that those of us who have been paying for so many years should benefit in some way. Steinberg does not live only by charging updates, there are new users who pay for full versions, libraries, hardware, etc.
I think Apple is very guilty of releasing 1 operating system every year, 1 computer, 1 chip every year and Steinberg 1 Cubase every year. Everything is too fast and too expensive, at least for me.
It’s an annual cost of course to stay up to date of course, but it’s not really a subscription as that is a commitment to pay on a set date before you even know what the update is for.
Many people choose to wait and update around springtime when it’s 60 EUR, so costs can differ too.
You have to ask yourself if there’s 99/60 EUR value in the update as to whether it’s worth it I guess. If more people say no than yes then Steinberg are in trouble.
I’d prefer paid updates to be 2 years apart personally, but that may mean a 150-199 update cost. 60 EUR being the lowest cost, I think isn’t all that bad when comparing what you get for the money.
This may have been a tongue in cheek comment, but it’s not obvious at first glance because it’s not really true. If it were a real subscription, the software would stop working the moment the payment period ended, unless you coughed up for the next period.
If that were the case, we wouldn’t have various people getting anxious about their old version of Cubase continuing to run once the e-licenser servers shut down, because those old versions wouldn’t be running at all.
Once you’ve bought Cubase, you can run it for as long as it remains compatible with the operating environment without ever buying another update. That’s the antithesis of a subscription.
There is a big difference between an annual supscription and an annual offering and I think you are smart enough to know. So please do not spread this claim any further.
Updating the operating system isn’t obligatory. I’m still using Cubase, Logic and ProTools under OS10.5 Mojave on a 12 year old Mac Pro in a very successful commercial studio. I have had lots of time to master Cubase’s functions and shortcuts without wasting my time examining new functions I will never use. The Steinberg marketing department will work very hard to tell you otherwise but……… If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
I recorded many successful tracks on a 24 track tape machine, and never upgraded its software once in eight years of use!
I’m currently using Cubase 10, and the main VSTis in regular use are probably Superior Drummer 3, Kontakt 7, Ivory, Lounge Lizard, Pianoteq, Omnisphere, Battery.
Of course and I think it’s great. I didn’t want to bother anyone, I just wanted to reflect on how fast the whole issue of updates goes and all the money we have invested in it
