This is a multi-timbre channel related bug

I have multiple tracks connected to a single VST synth in a multi-out
and use those tracks to create a song.

Every time I save and recall the project, for some reason, the first channel of the sound source connected to the Multi Out is set to channel 2 or later?

Is this just me? It’s a hassle to re-set it every time I recall a project.

I hope you will fix this bug in the next update as soon as possible.

Hi,

What kind of VST Instrument do ou use? Can you reproduce it with any Instrument?

Is your VST Instrument used as an Instrument Track or Rack Instrument?

Do you have the latest CUbase 14.0.20 installed?

Thanks for the reply.

I am Japanese so I don’t know if I am communicating well in English, sorry if it is a strange document.

I just checked and it seems to be this kind of bug.

When I press the pull down button from channel 1 of the multitimbral, I get
pull down track for each channel.

If you select, say, 2 channels in the track, close the pulldown, select another track, and then select the multitimbral track again, it looks like you are selecting one channel of that track

, but the 2 channels you selected in the internal pulldown are still selected
, and the left channel is not selected
. The left spectator will show “2 channels”.

Does this make sense? I’ve attached two images

This could be any VST

I just checked and it’s also happening with Battery3
It’s also happening with a channel paralleled out from Cubase’s internal drum track.

I’m using the latest version 14.02.
I’m using the latest version, 14.02, and it seems to be a bug newly added in 14.02, since it wasn’t there before.


Hi,

I’m sorry, English is not my first language either.

OK, you are talking about the Instrument Tracks and its multi-outputs.

If you set the “snare fill in” as an Audio Return Channel (output) of the Instrument track, then once you select the Instrument track itself, the Channel part shows this Audio Return Channel (output).

If you would select the Output 1 (Main Out), you would see this one in the Channel.

Thanks for the reply

That’s what I meant.

The problem is that when I close the pull down menu,
that return channel remains visible.
It often happens that I think I have adjusted the first channel by specifying the track, but it turns out that I have adjusted another return channel
.

As far as I remember, this was not the case before 14.02.

At least it was not stressful.

Sorry if I am misremembering.

Hi,

Could you please make a video?

There was no Cubase 14.02 version.

I made a video.

Can you understand it?

At first I specify the B.d track for the first channel and it appears fine in the inspector on the left.

Then I specify the fill-in snare track in the pull-down menu
and close the pull-down as it is and specify the other tracks.

Then, if you specify the B.d track for track 1 of the multi-out channel again, the fill-in snare track you specified in the previous pull-down menu will remain in the left inspector.

To undo this, I have to go back to the pull-down menu and change the fill-in designation back to B.d each time.
This is very time-consuming.

I don’t think this was the case prior to 14.02.

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Hi,

Thank you, now I can reproduce it.

Reported to Steinberg, thank you!

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Thank you very much.

At the same time, this is also a known issue and

as a bug that has been mentioned for a long time but has not been cured (it is a new bug since 13)

I would appreciate it if you could also report the problem that when you try to open the multi-out settings panel from channel 2 onwards with a shortcut, the settings panel for channel 1 is opened.

Opening the settings panel from the left inspector is not a problem.

Opening the settings panel with a shortcut key causes such a problem.

Sorry for the trouble and thank you in advance for your patience.

Is this bug resolved in 14.03?

Hi,

Unfortunately, it was not fixed.

Just as I thought.

Thanks for the reply and verification.

Are we sure this is a bug at all? To me it looks like the expected behaviour. Cubase remembers the last selected return channel and displays that one instead of reverting back to output 1.

Am I missing something?

The thing that disturbs me is that the first return channel automatically gets the name of the Instrument Track itself. This is something I find undesireable.

I think it is a bug.
At least we did not see this in previous versions.

Perhaps, but up to around 14?

Or did you make improvements because this way is more convenient?
Is that what you want to say?

I don’t think there is any need to remember the return channel at all, even though the Ch1 dropdown in the multitimbre is closed.

After closing the return dropdown, it specters Ch2 despite the fact that Ch1 is selected.
It is ridiculously confusing.

Is there any advantage to this?

Possibly it was wrong before ((and you liked it that way) and now it got fixed.

This is where we disagree. I think Cubase should most defintely remember the last selected output channel.

In your video you did not select channel 1, you selected the Instrument Track itself. That is a difference. Therefore I really think there is no bug here.

I am neither Mr. Steinberg nor am I Yamaha-sama. I don’t make any changes to the software. :grinning_face:

Did you not see the above exchange?
Are you saying it is not a bug even though Martin confirmed the phenomenon and reported it?

I believe that Martin is at least more trustworthy than you.

OK, let’s say you are right and it is an improvement and not a bug.

If there is an advantage to doing so, how exactly is it useful?
Can you tell me specifically when it would be useful to do so?

Ouch, are you trying to hurt my feelings?

Sure, as I already said: I work on an Instrument Track, where the instrument has several audio outputs. I select which output I want to be display when I click on the Instrument Track. Cubase remembers that and doesn’t simply change my choice without my consent.
If I want another output to be displayed I will select it.

Hi,

I also wasn’t sure. But when I tried it and thought it through, I’m sure it must be a bug. And it wasn’t close as “Works as expected” in the bug-tracking system. :wink:

No, I am not trying to hate. I apologize if you felt that way.
I am sorry.

But I’m not sure it’s a bug when the situation has been officially reported by Martin. I don’t think you need to come at me with that.

And as for the specific example, it’s honestly not a proper explanation of the benefits.
Or am I just not understanding you?

Perhaps you haven’t used instrument tracks that much with multi-timbral instruments.

Okay?

You can use the instrument track itself as one channel.
And then you connect the second and subsequent tracks to it, right?

Let’s say you make 8 channels, right?

It is legitimate that each of the 8 channels will appear in the left inspector of each 8-channel track, and if you want to see each channel, just click on that track to make it active.

Do you want to go to the trouble of clicking on one channel to see another?

If you want to watch channel 2, why not click on the track for channel 2, and if you want to watch channel 3, why not click on the track for channel 3 and activate it?

Why is channel 2 showing up in the inspector when channel 1 is active?

Where is the advantage in this?

If you want to see 2 channels, just click on the 2 channel track.

I don’t see the point of looking at the inspector of another track from channel 1.
Even though the 2 channel track is below it?

Look at the two pictures below.
I have 1 channel active and you can see the 2 channel on the left?
If I want to see the 2-channel, why don’t I just click on the 2-channel track like in the second picture?

What’s the benefit of going to the trouble of showing the same 2ch inspector on track 1 and track 2?

I don’t know if this is an official bug or not.
Please explain the specific advantage.


I am not coming at you. I am merely expressing my opinion. In this case my opinion is different from yours. This is how the world works. I am not making this personal, so it would be nice if you could not make it personal, either.
Thanks.

Here is the difference between Martin and you on one side and me on the other side:

I think Return channel 1 should be treated like any other return channel of an Instrument. Whichever Return channel was the last selected on should be presented on the Main Instrument Track.

Martin and you think Return channel 1 should always be a synonym for the Main Instrument Track - it doesn’t matter which one you click, they are the same.

Even in case the current change in behaviour is only an accident, in my opinion it is actually not enough. The Main Instrument Track still only shows the Return channel 1’s output routing in the Inspector, nevermind which Return channel is actually selected. That is a misguidance that has already caused several complaints from customers here on the forum.

Again, don’t take it personal. People can have a different opinion. This holds also true for Martin and me. While we agree on many things sometimes we have a different view on things. That’s ok, we still have a mutual respect for each other.